Whine and Punishment

I couldn’t get my phone to connect to my car on the drive home this evening, so I was forced to listen to Radio 4 where I heard this:

It’s basically a female MP complaining how terrible her life became when she discovered her boyfriend – not husband – was a dick. Or at least, that’s what she says: we don’t get his side of the story. I’m not sure if I heard the whole thing, but she didn’t mention violence, just “abuse” which included him not speaking to her, hiding his salary, and refusing to help pay for a new sofa. MPs no longer have the brains or ability to manage anything difficult such as get Britain out of the EU or work within a budget, so instead they use the commons as a stage on which to dramatise their personal lives. There is absolutely no purpose to this woman reading out details of her bad relationships other than to seek attention, which seems to be the primary motivation of a lot of politicians these days.

Followed her speech, Radio 4 shared this story:

Scotland has become the first country in the UK to make it a criminal offence for parents to smack their children.

The ban on all physical punishment was backed overwhelmingly by 84 votes to 29 by the Scottish Parliament on Thursday afternoon.

The move will give children in Scotland the same protection from assault as adults when it comes into force.

Parents and carers are currently allowed to use “reasonable” physical force to discipline their children.

The smacking ban bill was introduced by Scottish Greens MSP John Finnie, a former police officer, who won the support of the SNP, Labour and Lib Dems as well as his own party and many children’s charities.

The irony is that a child raised with no discipline will become just the sort of narcissistic, manipulative adult the MP in the video claims made her life miserable. It’s one hell of a world these idiots are building for themselves, isn’t it?


27 thoughts on “Whine and Punishment

  1. I’ve got some cognitive dissonance going here. I attended a school staffed by the sweepings of the prisons of Dublin. My theory was that if I got caned every day, I’d get used to it. It didn’t work. The teachers’ theory, that caning would make me a better pupil, didn’t work either.

    Raising my own children, who I loved and still do, sort of, I wasn’t going to brutalise them in the way that I had been. I did find that a smack on the hand worked better than two hours of counseling. They didn’t investigate the cupboard under the sink and they learned that anything on a table was out of bounds. They didn’t play with glass, razor blades and matches and didn’t stick knitting needles into power sockets to see what would happen. Teaching them that there were absolute Nos, with consequences that would be enforced, surely protected them from serious injury. When they saw my lifted finger that meant the next step would be a smack on the hand, they didn’t roll their eyes to carry on regardless. Also, the smack hurt my finger more than it hurt them.

    Maybe there’s a threshold. I’m sure that when physical punishment is accompanied by anger and a desire to inflict pain and terror, it’s wrong. If it leaves bruises and stripes on the bum, it’s wrong. Daily, gratuitous punishment ceases to have any effect. But discipline must have some teeth to be effective.

  2. I was desperately praying for her final line to be: “And that man…was Dominic Grieve.”

  3. Nine and a half minutes of self-indulgent twattery from a woman whose biggest claim to fame appears to be:

    In August 2018, Duffield attracted national media attention for supporting a student boycott of a Japanese-themed cocktail bar in her constituency and saying that it had “crossed the line from cultural appreciation to cultural appropriation” for dressing white women in kimonos and geisha-style make-up on its opening night. (Wikipedia)

  4. the Guardians take on it…

    “The Labour MP Rosie Duffield’s account of her own experience of domestic abuse left colleagues in tears in the Commons. The speech has been described as one of the most moving contributions ever given in parliament.

    After months of what she described as terrifying verbal abuse, humiliation and financial control unbeknown to her friends, family and colleagues, she described how she eventually gained the courage to leave a partner”

    I wonder what the ex-boyfriend thinks of all this.

  5. Are you seriously suggesting that it’s the ex-boyfriend who is the “narcissistic manipulative adult”?

  6. After months of what she described as terrifying verbal abuse, humiliation and financial control unbeknown to her friends, family and colleagues, she described how she eventually gained the courage to leave a partner”

    Oh FFS, what self respecting human (male or female) subjects themselves to MONTHS of abuse.

    And prey where did she “eventually” gain the “courage” to leave…maybe right before she ran for MP or maybe right after she won?

    One incidence of verbal abuse, humiliation, or financial control, would have seen me out of there tout sweet, let alone months of it. I’m ashamed to be the same gender as this pathetic imbecile.

  7. The financial control one baffles me. She complains he won’t reveal his salary then later says he refuses to work leaving her as the main breadwinner. So which is it? It sounds as though she’s heard “financial control” is a good device on which to hang ex-boyfriends, but hasn’t understood what it means.

  8. The current crop of MPs (of all political hues) are setting new records for weakness, incompetence, mendacity and downright stupidity.

    A good example is a recent speech by Jess Phillips where she began with caveats about how she might not be able to use correct parliamentary process and that she didn’t care. Really Jess? Are there any other professions where being proud of being incapable of doing your actual fucking job is acceptable?

    In recent years there has been a definite shift from aspiring to be seen as competent and resilient to a rush to most victimising status.

    I’m sorry you had a shit relationship, dear, but I’m not sure why it’s any concern of ours. It seems a matter for precisely two people only.

  9. I wonder what the ex-boyfriend thinks of all this.

    I’m sure he’s proud that she used the protection of parliamentary privilege to get her grievances against him out in public in such a way that it is one-sided, provides no means of poor ex-bf getting a word in and cannot be used as the basis for slander.

    Even if all of this was true (unlikely), at best the guy sounds like a loser, but then again, women do like their bad boy types and only seem to regret it after the fact when they realise they’ve been taken for a ride. Tough titty.

  10. If they were building this world only for themselves, I would be happy to let them get on with it. But I fear that they’ll insist on dragging the rest of us down with them…

  11. Are there any other professions where being proud of being incapable of doing your actual fucking job is acceptable?
    It’s rife in the damn Civil Service.

  12. Seeing this Member of the Mother of Parliaments whine about something that has nothing to do with the running of the country — and seeing other women Members of Parliament cluster around her consolingly instead of telling her to sit down and shut up — makes something rather obvious:
    Unless Brexit is immediately followed by deep changes in the governance of the UK, it is going to be an epic disappointment!

  13. It sounds extremely like she picked a boyfriend who earned less than her and had lower status. Yes and was a dick.
    A man in that position would be bound to feel insecure- oh sure he handled that badly.
    But she chose him. Doesn’t say a lot for her character judgement. It’s unclear whether she made any attempt to enhance his status- I’d guess she never saw the need.
    And she took a year at least from first date to getting over it.
    People make mistakes, sure, but is a person with poor character judgement, a poor grasp of relationships, and an inability to stand up for themselves the ideal candidate to stand up for her constituents?

  14. What was needed was a single male MP to stand up immediately afterwards and say “shit like this is why women aren’t suited for real jobs”.

  15. Seeing this Member of the Mother of Parliaments whine[…]

    <pendant> It’s England that is the mother of Parliaments, not the taking shop in Westminster </pendant>

  16. Do people realise how bad being weak looks?

    I’m not saying we shouldn’t protect the weak. We certainly should. We want people who beat up weaklings to be in court. But do you want them as coppers? If a woman can’t just pack her bags, when she has an MPs salary, she’s weak.

    It’s like Prince Harry sharing his mental health problems. People avoided showing their weaknesses in the past for a very good reason: you destroy confidence.

  17. “It’s England that is the mother of Parliaments …”

    Then it seems like England needs to do a better job of parenting.

    Perhaps the parent that does not rap her child on the knuckles when required is going to find that she has reared an unruly, self-centered, foolish, irresponsible institution which will make her parent’s life miserable.

  18. Not having any kids I have never been put to the test. However, as with MvdR, I saw more than my share of the headmaster’s tawse at school. Not sure it achieved anything, other than as a badge of honour.

  19. Secretly taking his house keys and locking him out without a word (after 2 weeks of surveillance) because he didn’t want to pay towards her new sofa made me wonder who the abusive one is.

  20. @John

    I haven’t listened to the video, but just from the comments here it sounds like a Narcissist failing to control her boyfriend, and experiencing that failure as abuse at his hands.

    He won’t pay for the new sofa? I’m guessing she wanted the new sofa, he disagreed, she interpreted his disagreement as unjustified bullying, and therefore decided to ignore it – and then was shocked at his selfishness at refusing to pay for the sofa they bought together. He’s such a control freak!

    Likewise, refusing to disclose his salary – sounds like he was protecting himself from her control. Of course, she sees herself as responsible and benevolent, so his refusal can only be because he’s selfish and controlling. Everyone sees the world exactly as she does, so his disagreements must be in bad faith. No, that’s not her reflection in the mirror, he’s the one who’s a controlling narcissist. Change the locks, quickly!

    I’m guessing he’s still a bit numb, but also feeling lucky to have gotten away. If anyone asks him why he stayed there so long, he’ll mumble something about the bedroom.

    Of course, it could equally have been the other way around… right up to the moment she blubbered about it in parliament.

  21. Can you really be a shepherd when you are barely fit to be a sheep?

    I’ll vote for anyone who has policy I like and needed abilities to deliver.

    I won’t vote for professional victims and more fool the twits that did.

    Another blow struck against the patriarchy and like so many others it just boomerangs back.

  22. Sod “We will fight them on the beaches. We will fight them on the landing fields….” this is really gripping stuff from Ms Duffield. A stateswoman in the making.

  23. It IS possible to discipline a child via emotional manipulation alone (look up “shaper” training for dogs). But it is far more cruel than some smacks administered during the pre-reasoning years.

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