Robinson Screwed So

Yesterday while in the car I listened to James Delingpole’s podcast with Tommy Robinson. Unless Robinson is lying through his teeth, which I doubt, it appears he has been the subject of highly illegal treatment at the hands of a panicked ruling class acting in concert with the police, courts, and media. What’s worse, the government gets away with it because they can count on the support of the middle classes. Nobody’s going to stand up for a far-right, racist thug, right?

Hence when he was wrongfully imprisoned, rather than the darling lawyer of the internet pointing out the gross injustice, he or she used the situation to signal their own virtues while slandering Robinson’s supporters. When the truth came out and he was proven wrong, the Secret Barrister wrote four thousand words to the effect of “Well, who can blame me for assuming the worst about this kind of man?”  Some barrister. The media’s handling of the subject is even worse, littered with smears, falsehoods, and libelous accusations as they play their assigned role as propaganda organ for the ruling classes. Not without reason does Robinson believe the upcoming BBC Panorama programme accusing him of child abuse is a last-ditch effort by the authorities to make him impossible to support. The campaign led by BBC staff and British politicians to get him banned from social media platforms looks carefully timed to ensure he has no way of responding to these allegations.

Two things sprang to mind when listening to the podcast. The first is that not a single MP, newspaper, or public figure questioned the treatment of Tommy Robinson. Contrast this with the way Labour politicians, Guardian columnists, and other Establishment figures fall over themselves to prevent jihadists, child rapists, and knife-wielding thugs from having to face justice. Apparently Sky News can travel to Syria and give sympathetic interviews with ISIS brides aimed at swaying public opinion towards repatriating them, but are uninterested in the fact that the state conspired to throw a British man who has broken no laws into solitary confinement for two months. When we are unable to deport hooked-hand lunatics inciting terrorism in London mosques, the chattering classes stroke their chins and deliver earnest sermons on the importance of human rights. But when Tommy Robinson is chucked in jail they say nothing, except perhaps to remind us of his real name and his highly suspect mortgage fraud conviction. Who do you think this inconsistency will harm in the long run? And where are the Conservatives in all this? That’s a rhetorical question.

The second thing that sprang to mind is the ruling classes had better be sure of their position here. Things are changing fast; the government is on the verge of collapse, the streets are boiling with anger, and the status quo is looking shaky indeed. If things get really chaotic and British politics flipped on its head, there is a reasonable chance Robinson might find himself in a position of power before he hits retirement age. It might seem unlikely now, but history is littered with pariahs who were jailed by failing governments and found themselves in charge a few years later. Now I doubt Robinson is ever going to be Prime Minister, but who knows where power and influence will lie if the current system is upended by a populist revolt? If even half of what Robinson says on the podcast is true, he will be fully justified in finding those politicians, judges, policemen, prison staff, and CPS agents who were responsible for his treatment and holding them to account. What form that will take I don’t know, but I’m not sure I’d want to rely on principles of human rights to save me if I were being fixed with a blindfold. That ship sailed in May last year, and the chattering classes were fine with it.

Go and listen to the podcast, and tell me I’m wrong.

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43 thoughts on “Robinson Screwed So

  1. We suffer from a classic Catch 22. Our democracy is screwed by dysfunctional parties and a parliamentary political system that can no longer represent fragmented political viewpoints. But effecting change lies in the hands of those who benefit from the old two party system and FPTP.

    I think in an old left / right view of politics the old system worked fine. If you now add the globalist / populist dimension you need at least four parties: Lefty globalists (Umunna), lefty populists (old Labour voters), righty globalists (Ken Clarke), righty populists (Vote Leave). And therefore FPTP is no longer viable.

  2. As you may know, Tommy is suing Cambs Police for harassment.
    As we speak it is Day 2 of the court case.

    From what has come out so far, Tommy has a valid case.

  3. I don’t like him. And his appeals to liberty and free speech has more than a little of Elmer Gantry about it.
    But liberty and free speech are important, so I suppose I’ll have to be on TR’s side. Yeuch.

  4. From what has come out so far, Tommy has a valid case.

    Indeed, but I have little faith that the judge will rule as per the law instead of falling into line with what his peers expect of him.

  5. Same thing appears to be happening to George Pell right now, right down to the same attempt at “death by prison stabbing”. Well, at least, I wouldn’t be surprised.

  6. Mathew McConnagey

    +1

    Australian justice, or at least that of the State of Victoria, is not lookng particularly pretty if the railroading and shenanigans in the Pell case are allowed to stand.

    Re. TR. Of course there is a concerted attempt to do him in. Legally, socially, financially and physically. How they think that this ( along with the same teams sabotaging of Brexit ) is going to do anything other than wind up still further the already pissed-off and effectively disenfranchised populace, is beyond my intellect.

  7. How they think that this ( along with the same teams sabotaging of Brexit ) is going to do anything other than wind up still further the already pissed-off and effectively disenfranchised populace, is beyond my intellect.

    Either:

    1) They think they only have to keep the middle classes on-side and the sort of people who support TR can be ignored; or

    2) They are utterly unaware about how many supporters TR has, how angry they are, and who they will target when it all kicks off.

  8. Well, it’s both, innit?

    Civil war or violent revolution or whatever is so awful, and so avoidable, that there ought to be a special place in hell reserved for the fools so blithely pushing us to its precipice.

  9. On the substance of the matter you’re quite right.

    I can’t quite put my finger on it, but this – the third – time he’s been on Delingpole’s podcast, he didn’t come across well to me..

    It doesn’t affect my view on the matter as I’m already briefed, but if I were looking to persuade someone who was on the fence, I wouldn’t play them this podcast – I’d go with the 1st or 2nd.

  10. but if I were looking to persuade someone who was on the fence, I wouldn’t play them this podcast – I’d go with the 1st or 2nd.

    I agree his views came across better in the second podcast (I never heard the first), but this is more about his treatment at the hands of the state authorities than his political views.

  11. He makes some legitimate points about how pockets of culturally violent, illiberal Islam have been allowed to grow, and it’s true the ‘liberal establishment’ are reluctant to deal with it because it runs contra to their narrative of virtue signalling multiculturalism. However, I don’t believe his ‘football casual’ approach is a good way of tackling it, it just antagonises the vast majority of Muslims who just want to get on with their lives as good citizens.

  12. However, I don’t believe his ‘football casual’ approach is a good way of tackling it, it just antagonises the vast majority of Muslims who just want to get on with their lives as good citizens.

    Indeed, but my long standing question has been “Why does it fall to him?” Where are all the good people with their more reasonable approaches?

  13. TR is both a problem and a solution. He represents a declining demographic who are unfortunately ill-disciplined and unable to understand how they appear to others.

    Robinson is a risk taker. He constantly berates attacks on his family while putting his own politics above their interests.
    Most English people see an uppity Irish yob who has a history of
    bad decision making and feuding. As such he fits the cliche of
    Scots/Irish honour culture. I’m not sure if his U.S. backers and supporters understand his very limited appeal. Likewise his in unguarded support of Zionism is hardly popular with even traditional England,let alone new Elizabethans!

    All that being said I find it hard to condemn him even though his Panodrama film will only speak to those who already support him.
    He has certainly killed UKIP for the present…..

  14. Just listened to the podcast. I believe him.

    We can’t go on like this in the UK. Our “leaders” deserve a very rude awakening, and I’m now hoping something very big kicks off as a result of the Brexit betrayal.

  15. “I have little faith that the judge will rule as per the law instead of falling into line with what his peers expect of him.”

    The judiciary NEVER rule against the State when such a ruling fundamentally threatens the existence of the State, or delegitimises it in some way, regardless of what the law actually says. They will rule against the State on individual cases where the power of the State is not reduced as a result, indeed many rulings ‘against’ the State actually demand that it interfere even more in people’s lives. But never to free people from State interference or to reduce the reach of the State.

    So TR is screwed. The judiciary won’t help him regardless of the facts, or the law.

  16. Now I doubt Robinson is ever going to be Prime Minister, but who knows where power and influence will lie if the current system is upended by a populist revolt?

    A key attribute of the established people you’re referring to is their blithe assumptions that things will continue as before. For example matters concerning national debt (print, baby, print!), immigration (import 3rd worlders and keep the debt party rolling with no downsides), and global warming (decree that energy production and consumption drastically change but with no effects on the economy).

    They’re not afraid of TR or his supporters because, frankly, they’ve little reason to be. It’s all youtube videos and twitter spats that do little to affect the day-to-day. By the time the kinetic protests begin it’ll be too late.

  17. I have little faith that the judge will rule as per the law instead of falling into line with what his peers expect of him.

    The judge in this particular matter is a her. As is TR’s lawyer.

    Ezra Levant is live tweeting from the courthouse.

  18. David Stanley–You are the biggest smug middle class turd to have appeared on this blog so far. As for my “demographic” you have no fucking idea of how “undisciplined” we will become.

    And neither the new imported demographic or the wannabe Global elite importing them give a shite for oh-so-superior middle class Proggie trash like you. You are a band of useful –for now-idiots. Such special folk as you are might think that makes you boss class. But once your usefulness is outlived you will rapidly discover otherwise.

    The Globo elite intend to use eco-bullshit and migration to flop ordinary folk lower than whaleshit and you and the rest of the Home Counties Horsepiss are a very ordinary little snobs.

  19. 1. TR says many things that I agree with, and I think he has been persecuted by the British state. And he doesn’t look like a paedophile to me.

    2. He has a list of convictions for violence alone (including football violence) as long as my forearm. As such, he’s politically toxic to many people.

    3. Horses for courses…TR has his constituency. And he’s doing very well out of it, to judge by his fairly recent purchase of a £0.9m house in Essex.

  20. @MJW You assume that Muslims are antagonised by him. I wouldn’t bet on that.

    My Wife is a professional in Luton Borough Council, whose stated and explicit strategy is to engage with the Muslim Community across the full spectrum of it’s ideas i.e. engage with Jihadists, because dialogue is the only way forward.

    It’s stated strategy also involves an explicit and point blank refusal to engage with TR. Because we must never give a voice to hate.

    So, put yourself in the shoes of the Muslim community now; just how aggrieved would you be to find you have direct access to local power and resources, both of which are denied to TR?

  21. It’s not the out in the open demographic that supports Tommy Robinson that the establishment should fear. its the ones who silently do and would vote for him or someone with similar view.

    Labour and the Tories represent decreasing freedom, high taxation government run by the same Eton Oxbridge faces where you have an approved mind set that is enforced through social and legal punishment. In short it’s facism either way. At the first sign of democracy (Brexit) they tried to deny and frustrate it.

    Silent Tories have been an election winning factor for a long time.

    Silent TR supporters are almost certainly a thing given the high social cost in admitting support for him.

    There have got to be a fair few white people even “nice middle class” ones who can do the maths on the birth rates and think, I don’t want my grand kids to go extinct? Or, I want my kid to be able to vote in a real democracy. Neither Labour or the Tories offer solutions to that.

    If the only one talking about it is TR, he will find support in amazing places.

    Significant quantities of Obama voters turned to Trump instead of Hillary!

  22. He has a list of convictions for violence alone (including football violence) as long as my forearm. As such, he’s politically toxic to many people.

    Sure, but as I keep saying, who else is stepping up? In the absence of anyone without a history of football violence taking on this issue, I’m tempted to conclude such a character might be a prerequisite. Similarly, it would be nice if Trump weren’t such an oaf, but anyone nicer would have got destroyed, so here we are.

  23. Jaguar–You don’t give voice to hate except fucking RoP murderers and trained killers. Who you dialogue with. But “Shut up or jail” is what the white British are to get. You and your missus are a big part of the problem. Best keep clear when it does kick off because folks without your so-fine set of distinctions might confuse you for middle class leftist RoP stooges.

  24. Jaguar–Maybe I’ve misread the point you are making. If so I apologise. On a superficial glance the bit sounded like another POS from the WOMI brigade. Re-reading then it sounds less like you are endorsing that viewpoint.

    I’m not in a good mood this morning. Treason by political scum has that effect on me.

  25. “…who else is stepping up? In the absence of anyone without a history of football violence taking on this issue, I’m tempted to conclude such a character might be a prerequisite.”

    It depends on his level of political toxicity. Ordinary folk don’t like thugs, but many sympathise with TR’s views on Islam. If being anti-islam becomes psychologically associated with thuggery, TR will be a liability to his own cause. If, however, he mobilises a particular constituency or demographic without tainting the wider cause — as the various strands of the Leave campaign did in 2016 — he will have achieved something and left political space for others to join in….

  26. TR hasn’t been involved in “thuggery” –except for defending his life from RoP wannabe scalders in our scum-run jail system–for years Theo. Now if you are going to step up and do his job then I guess it would be ok for TR to retire to the bosom of his family. But since I further guess you aren’t–are you?–then perhaps you should stop sniping and thus contributing to the problems albeit in a small way. He is trying –at great personal risk–to take on the shite-scum enemies of decent people everywhere. Don’t care about his new house. How much has your being a big figure in Tory local ranks put in your pocket over the years Theo? Does that invalidate your POV?

    PS -Ezra Levant is in the UK to report on Tommy’s own lawsuit. Against 20 cop thugs who rousted TR and family out of a restaurant and town for no reason beyond Common Purpose orders. Ezra has just been told by the Beak that he can no longer tweet from court or anywhere else or say anything about the court case on any medium whatsoever. The MSM is conspicuous by its complete absence of course. Since there is no jury to be influenced the purpose of this caper can only be routine harassment.

  27. @Ecks
    Yes you did misread me. I was giving a faithful rendition of Luton Council’s position, including the justification and language *they* use.

    I then invited @MJW to reflect on who really has the right to feel aggrieved here (MJW seems to assume that’s it’s the Jihadists with access to power and resources who should feel aggrieved).

    I am basically on your side here, although I don’t think your intemperate language does yourself our our side much good on the whole. Sometimes you are very funny though.

  28. My language is a product of mind-shattering rage . I look on it as a safety valve. As for how it seems –I’m not that influential Jaguar. And–as JRM proves– you can be far too polite. Ultra-polite is only cool when you have the deadly force to back it up.

  29. And where are the Conservatives in all this? That’s a rhetorical question.

    I recall Gerard Batten and Lord Pearson stood up for TR after his May incarceration, knowing full well that it would expose them to considerable criticism.

    I wonder, is there any clear consensus on how Ukip’s partnership with TR has affected their public standing?

    @Mr Ecks

    My understanding is that Ezra Levant is free to report the facts, but has been asked not to state his opinion.

    To be quite frank, I think he’s occasionally gone a bit overboard in his editorializing. For example, attributing paedophile motives to one of the cops who was videoing the whole affair seems a bit much. On the whole I think Ezra has done a lot of good in supporting TR, I just sometimes wish for a touch more restraint or detachment.

    @Steve
    @Tim

    From what has come out so far, Tommy has a valid case.

    Indeed, but I have little faith that the judge will rule as per the law instead of falling into line with what his peers expect of him.

    Well, Judge Marson’s conviction from May was in fact quashed in September, so it seems the judiciary is not wholly a tool of the government.

    @Al Jahom
    I can’t quite put my finger on it, but this – the third – time he’s been on Delingpole’s podcast, he didn’t come across well to me..

    That may be an effect of his two months solitary confinement, coupled with the stress of anticipating further incarceration. He has said that he’s been diagnosed with PTSD following his recent incarceration, and the previous one for mortgage fraud. I think he quite firmly believes that if he is sent to jail again, he will either be murdered by muslim inmates or emerge wholly disfunctional, and he may well be right.

    Re: Panodrama.

    I watched that hour-long interview, except perhaps for the last few minutes. There was a moment near the end, which I found absolutely damning. John Sweeney pulls out a photocopy of a message which Lucy Brown provided him, not knowing that this was a text message that Tommy and Lucy cooked up between them using a website (fakemytexts or something like that), because he’s not bothered to double-check it in any way. Sweeney pulls it out to deflect an accusation of classism. The beauty is that Sweeney has spent the last hour learning (the hard way) that his source (Lucy Brown) was unreliable. She was a stooge. She filmed him in secret. He knows this. He knows that he can’t trust anything she said to him. But he soooooo wants that text message to be true, that he ignores all the warning signs. And he does this because it’s a habit by now – it’s what he’s been doing his whole career. He never throws away a useful quote just because the source is unreliable.

    I don’t think Sweeney’s a homophobe, or racist, or anything like that. TR has pulled a lot of quotes out of context to make him look bad. In any other case this would be unconscionable, except that the BBC do this all the time, and Sweeney was trying to do it to him. I don’t think Sweeney’s career will be ruined by these accusations, or because it’s been revealed that he’s completely unprofessional. If Sweeney’s career is ruined, it will be because he got so badly outwitted by one of those Amazonian Cannibals, as he called them.

  30. Well, Judge Marson’s conviction from May was in fact quashed in September, so it seems the judiciary is not wholly a tool of the government.

    Yes, but as he says on the podcast, the judge had 14 days to make a ruling and he took all 14, meaning Robinson had to spend all that time in prison. I doubt 14 days were necessary, they just – as usual – wanted to use the process as the punishment.

  31. Yes, but as he says on the podcast, the judge had 14 days to make a ruling and he took all 14, meaning Robinson had to spend all that time in prison. I doubt 14 days were necessary, they just – as usual – wanted to use the process as the punishment.

    Alternatively, the judge had made up his mind after two days, and was subjected to massive (and illegal) political and social pressure which he manfully resisted. We don’t know what was going through his head. And if the judge’s motive was to put additional pressure on TR, even though he felt compelled to release him, he could have written a much more equivocal quashing of the May 25th conviction.

    I accept that the British establishment, loosely speaking, considers TR a nuisance and is happy to use many questionably-legal and immoral techniques to be rid of this meddlesome priest, but it does not follow from this that they are willing to do *anything* to get rid of him, and it also does not mean that *everything* they do is in order to get him.

    For example, some MI5 squad could cudgel him in the back of the head and plant two pounds of cocaine on the corpse, along with a thumb drive full of child pornography. They haven’t done that.

    Similarly, a lot of the pain he went through because of his incarceration can be attributed to the inflexibility and callousness of any government bureaucracy. For example, he was listed as ‘convicted’ instead of ‘committed’ – this might have been a clerical error, possibly fueled by prejudice, rather than a deliberate attempt to make him suffer. Similarly, his transfer from Hull to Onley might have been a mindless bureaucratic outcome of that clerical error (coupled with his home address in Luton) rather than a deliberate attempt to have him murdered.

    None of this detracts from the degree of his suffering, or from the danger he experienced. But he sometimes tends to describe the establishment as a monolithic block, which it is not.

  32. Ok, I finally get it.

    Screwed So –> Crusoe
    Robinson Screwed So.

    The puns, they hurt! The goggles do nothing!

  33. Let nobody say my readers aren’t sharp as tacks.

    Only because you’ve been filing away so diligently at our little minds!

  34. Police bullies backed by Judicial bullies.

    I didn’t expect this to go any other way, to be honest. He’s an enemy of the state, he can hardly expect the state to side with him. Britain’s becoming more like the Soviet Union every week.

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