Amid the sexual abuse, how much consensual sex is there?

Yesterday someone wrote one of those lengthy threads on Twitter which made the point, over and over, that despite the dozens of celebrities spilling tales of sexual harassment in Hollywood, nobody is naming names other than Harvey Weinstein’s. Perhaps they are afraid of a libel charge, but I doubt it: could all those allegations against Weinstein be proved now? Unlikely.

Via Tim Worstall, I now see that Christie Turlington has come out and said the fashion industry is full of sexual predators who prey on vulnerable young wannabe models. Maybe next week Scott Quinnell will come out and say rugby clubs were full of large, boisterous males who liked drinking and singing, and we’ll be equally surprised.

I have no doubt that sexual harassment and abuse is rife in the film and fashion industries, but what is being overlooked is that consensual sex is also rife. If disgusting fat film producers can proposition women for a part, you can be sure a lot of women are putting out for parts – many of them doing so quite happily. My guess is nobody is naming names because it will blow the lid on just how much consensual sex goes on in Hollywood, and how much of it is directly related to actors and actresses getting parts in a film. The moral standing of the pompous, self-righteous arses who presume to lecture us plebs at award ceremonies is already shaky; imagine what it would be reduced to should full details emerge of who they shagged and when – and, as we’ll be able to work out for ourselves – why. The underlying assumption people make of those complaining about Weinstein is they rejected his advances – yet never had sex with anyone else in order to advance their careers. That’s probably a big assumption.

Here’s something for the feminists to consider: if you want to stop men abusing positions of power in order to have sex, you also need to stop women having consensual sex with powerful men to advance their careers. It’s a two-way street, and it’s no coincidence that sexual abuse is more prevalent in industries where both men and women are able to sleep their way up the greasy pole.

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18 thoughts on “Amid the sexual abuse, how much consensual sex is there?

  1. You’re absolutely right, but it’s sooooo much easier and more satisfying to blame Teh Patriarchiez, which ironically requires using the old stereotype of women being weak-willed and passive.

    If no actress ever willingly put out for a part, there’d be no incentive for the men in positions of power in the industry to try it on.

  2. If one actress shags a part out of a producer, she’s robbed another woman of that role. Particularly of that woman declined the couch stage of the audition process.

    ( And let’s discount the (probably small) proportion of out and out sexual abuse- that’s a crime and should be handled as such. )

    But no one is talking about women out competing each other by dropping their trousers, are they? For all the banging on about the patriarchy, the girls are doing this to themselves, aren’t they?

  3. How much consensual sex? An ocean full. Normal males and females get the urge to do what also comes naturally to the birds and the bees. Professional favours or no. So the baseline is a whole popualtion of normal human beings doing the deed. Any additional ‘you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours’ that gets added on top is exceptionally hard to separate from the underlying rumpy pumpy. If I point that that across cultures across centuries younger attractive women go with older powerful men because it’s human nature – does that make me deplorable for noting the fact? The only real issues at stake here are:
    1. How much non-consensual sex and what are the police doing to deal with actual crimes; and
    2. How gobsmackingly hypocritical Hollywood is.

  4. I wonder where all this concern about sexual abuse was when women were complaining about letting men use female toilets, and were being roundly denounced as transphobic dinosaurs. Or when Mike Pence said he refused to go for dinner with a woman without his wife being present, and was roundly denounced as a misogynistic dinosaur. It seems to me that, if you really consider sexual abuse to be a society-wide epidemic, you ought to be advocating for stronger barriers between men and women, not working to tear them down.

  5. In the Sarah Polley article in the NYT, she was quite straight that Harvey politely offered sex for work, but it went over her head as she was more interested in going into directing. And she asks herself a question of whether she’d have done it.

    I suspect Harvey for his cock out, but nothing more.

    I’m very suspicious of women crying rape against men who also get plenty. Rapists arent generally men who can’t get any. Women would rather claim rape than whoring.

  6. Bloke on M4; I don’t think Harvey was after sex as such, he was on power trips more likely.

  7. @David Moore

    I suspect all parties involved with Harvey were more interested in power than humping.

  8. If there is a lot of sexual predatory in the fashion industry, it’s a fair bet it won’t be heterosexual.

  9. I watched my local news last night, as a commentator on the station spoke about the Weinstein saga.

    She was blonde, svelte, and beautiful, with an ample chest and a low-cut shirt to show it off.

    She wasn’t all that great at commenting – she was reading a script, and wasn’t very natural or flowing – and so my guess was that she had been hired for her other, more basic, charms.

    Point is, everything is now sold through the marketing power of sex. When was the last time you saw a beer commercial with ugly female bathing-suited volleyball players? A poster for a resort with fat swimmers? Heck, I just watched an ad for Drano with a real beauty pouring it down her drain.

    We’re at a very strange neo-Puritan time when we use sex to sell everything but we cannot acknowledge sex between individual people. Jennifer Lawrence may complain that she was judged on her body, but I’ve seen her acting, and she ought to simply be thankful that people lust for her body.

  10. “Not enough in my case, being a sad old git.”

    I know the feeling. I was a too young to get in on the Free Love of the Sixties and early Seventies, and then too old and married to get in on the pure promiscuity of the Nineties and beyond. I think I was born at just the right exact time to be sex-deprived.

  11. @bobby b

    I was a teenager in the 90’s.

    You missed nothing.

    We’d all been taught that AIDS would kill you. Now, it’s apparently a ‘no-brainer’ for the NHS to hand out drugs (which won’t become cost effective for 40 years, btw) that stop the gays from catching aids when they can’t be bothered to wear a condom:

    Pre-sex HIV drug ‘no-brainer’ for NHS
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41637901

  12. TMB: “What’s a girl to do if she wants to get ahead?”

    Why, she has to give some h…

    No. Too early in the morning for smut! 😀

  13. “No. Too early in the morning for smut!”

    It’s early evening here if that were to help you speak your mind?

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