Master and Apprentice

I don’t see what the problem is here, frankly:

Turkey’s electoral body has been condemned for ordering Istanbul’s local elections to be re-held after an opposition victory in March.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s AK Party had claimed there were “irregularities and corruption” behind the opposition CHP’s slim win.

But CHP’s Ekrem Imamoglu, who was confirmed as Istanbul’s mayor in April, called the decision “treacherous”.

The vote, which will be held on 23 June, has sparked protests in the city.

Maybe the good citizens of Istanbul didn’t really know what they were voting for? Or perhaps the election was merely advisory? Maybe people were lied to (was there a bus involved)? As Erdogan says, there were “irregularities” and now everyone is better informed, isn’t it only right they go back for another vote “just to be sure”? After all, it’s a big decision and people have a right to change their mind. That’s what democracy is all about, isn’t it?

The European Parliament also said the decision to re-run the election would end the credibility of democratic elections in Turkey.

The EU has always encouraged Turkey to catch up with the rest of Europe. Maybe this is what they’re doing?

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10 thoughts on “Master and Apprentice

  1. The Virgin Sturgeon wants to keep on holding referenda until the right result is achieved, and then no more. Ditto the Remoaners. Although greatly unsure of my facts I don’t think that the EP as such has ever called for a re-run of these two contests?

  2. The choice of 23rd June, though… A good date for a pantomime plebiscite. It’s behind you.

  3. Although greatly unsure of my facts I don’t think that the EP as such has ever called for a re-run of these two contests?

    Given the European Parliament is little more than a chaff “Potemkin Parliament” by any definition (and by Roger Scruton no less*), it’s pronouncements on an subject are largely irrelevant.

    The real power lies within the European Council and they have made it quite clear both in their words and actions that this whole BRExit thing needs to be reversed or the British will feel the EU cold shoulder.

    * – Wine club – Roger Scruton appreciates the wines of Alsace – Why has Alsace been invaded so often? The answer could just be its wines

  4. Erdogan is a monster of the EU’s manufacture. In the early days of the AKP, when a military coup might have removed him, the EU put an enormous amount of pressure on the Turks to hang fire. When Erdogan started to mess with the secular constitution the EU cheered him on – on the basis that there should be religious freedom. Now we’ve realised he’s a bad guy, but he’s gutted the forces of secularism. Whoops.

  5. Erdogan is a monster of the EU’s manufacture. In the early days of the AKP, when a military coup might have removed him, the EU put an enormous amount of pressure on the Turks to hang fire.

    Oh yes, in the name of democracy the EU forced Turkey to get rid of the army-intervention safeguard which Turkey’s secularism relied on while making all sorts of promises about membership they then reneged on.

  6. Looking back over the past two decades the West has made some spectacular blunders –

    Overthrowing Saddam and replacing him with a Shia government
    Overthrowing Gaddhafi and replacing him with a bunch of terrorists
    Backing Erdogan
    Not backing various dictators in the Arab spring, although fortunately the one with the most capacity to do damage was reversed in Egypt.
    Not backing Assad. (A far weaker ISIS, not as much ethnic cleansing, etc)

    The first thing to do to make up for this is to proscribe all the different forms of the Muslim Brotherhood and all the Salafi groups – they’re terrorists and not on our side. They don’t get to claim asylum.

  7. Maybe, but rather unlikely, all things considered. It’s far more likely that Erdogan intimidated the electoral commission into voting his way. Just before the ruling, Istanbul’s chief prosecutor said some election officials had acted on Gulen’s orders. Since the attempted coup in 2016, about 80,000 people have been arrested, a lot of them on suspicion of being Gulenist agents or sympathizers. The prosecutor’s statement was a naked threat.

  8. @Tim N

    Yep, Erdogan obeying German EU orders as Erdogan wants EU (ie UK) money.

    Democracy? Old fashioned & irrelevant; unelected elite should run & tax the world /sarc

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    @The Meissen Bison on May 7, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    Thanks. Brendan is like Liddle – a sensible, pragmatic, non-PC, patriotic Lefty whom I like.

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