Baby Doc Watson

Blogger Rob Francis has written an article on the slow escalation of political violence in the UK, and how it is a situation that urgently needs to be arrested before things get worse:

At the weekend, whilst paying a visit to a mosque, Jeremy Corbyn was hit on the head with an egg. A man has been arrested; there were suggestions online that the egg may have still been within the alleged attacker’s fist at the point of impact.

This is entirely wrong. All of our elected representatives should be free to go about their business without fear of assault.

I did wonder whether that part of the left which has always shown a soft spot for a bit of political violence might find Sunday’s events a cause for introspection, an assessment as to whether they may need to rethink their stance on this.

Rachel Riley, amongst others, was quick to note that online Corbynite mouthpiece Owen Jones had previously supported the egging of Nazis. Would Owen reconsider his position? Of course not. The doubling down came through loud and clear.

The problem is, the left are not risking escalation and widespread violence only through encouraging attacks on right wing political figures. They are also risking serious violence through actions such as this:


Does Watson have any idea how dangerous it is for an elected politician to write a letter to a social media company demanding a British citizen be permanently banned from using its services? This is a flagrant abuse of position, akin to a politician in a tinpot kleptocracy getting a landowner evicted because it’s a nice spot on which to build his new mansion. That this hasn’t drawn widespread criticism from Establishment figures or opposition MPs neatly demonstrates this is now considered acceptable behaviour for elected officials.

Nations in which politicians brazenly engage in extralegal vendettas against private citizens tend not to enjoy long periods of peace and stability. Once officials taste such power, it starts being used more liberally; as I said the other day, Lammy and Watson are just getting warmed up. If they continue like this, abusing their positions to deprive citizens of freedom and liberty without due process, they will lay the foundations for political violence. The system only works if peaceful avenues of dissent remain open. Watson is publicly bragging that he is working to close them off. This is far more serious than an inconsequential gimp like Owen Jones trying to get middle class wannabe revolutionaries to throw eggs at Tories. One is a matter for the police; the other is a matter for another sort of organisation entirely.

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25 thoughts on “Baby Doc Watson

  1. Not sure if I’m not quite pleased the way things are going. The egg in question was the first shell in what could turn out to be an entertaining war. According to the deliverer it was his response to being pissed off over Corbyn’s contribution to political obstruction to the Brexit process & a thoroughly righteous egg it was. Although a baseball bat might have served better.
    Populism is stalking the land & the left may soon be finding that their willingness to invest in violence to further their cause will be paying a surprise dividend. The noodle armed snowflake revolutionaries may soon find they’re up against the muscles & boots of the blokes whose toil actually makes the country function. I know whose side I’m on.

  2. I get legitimately worried about the violence and don’t know where this is going. Everybody here blames it on Trump, but it is happening throughout the West. I have to figure out how my son needs to prepare for a world like this.

    As for Tom Watson, that is extremely disturbing. This whole social media banning is now moving into banning banking services.(as you’ve said elsewhere) What is next? Electricity? And doesn’t intimidating social media companies to ban people a form of election rigging? That is the fear here already, with Google potentially hiding pro-Republican talking points. Now the UK has actual elected officials trying to do that?

  3. “This is a flagrant abuse of position, akin to a politician in a tinpot kleptocracy getting a landowner evicted because it’s a nice spot on which to build his new mansion.”

    Abuse of position is written into the DNA of politicians. The current row over anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is a classic example. Margaret Hodge has pointed out that “due process” seems to involve the apparatchiks carrying out an investigation being unable to conclude matters without enlisting the views of senior patrons and powers within the party. Same shit, different colour rosette

  4. If the UK cannot be saved I can only hope that they serve as an example to the rest of the world (as is their tradition I suppose) that yes, it can happen here.

    Also,

    The egg in question was the first shell in what could turn out to be an entertaining war.

    Well played.

  5. Sam,
    I think it’s a phony war until one of the European countries collapses under the weight of stupid. Then we’ll see who says “Whoops, we don’t want to do that” and who says “They weren’t doing it right, we are”.

  6. Amusing using “…. peaceful avenues of dissent remain open” and TR as your example after his reported antics last night. Didn’t sound particularly peaceful.

    Just the poster child you don’t want to use to illustrate your point really. Or does he not have any responsibility in respect to his position either?

  7. Amusing using “…. peaceful avenues of dissent remain open” and TR as your example after his reported antics last night. Didn’t sound particularly peaceful.

    You appear to be endorsing someone’s ban from YouTube on the grounds they may have misbehaved on the street. I’d say you’re part of the problem.

    Just the poster child you don’t want to use to illustrate your point really.

    Principles are tested by the tough cases, not the simple ones.

  8. Watson is worryingly close to real power. He’s a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

    If everything the Tommy R haters said about him was true, he still wouldn’t be 1/1000th as dangerous as Tommy Watson.

  9. Is that the same Tom Watson who’s a member of the Labour front bench that urged its MPs to vote against the banning of Hezbollah? That same Labour Party that is driving out its long standing MPs because of its failure too root out anti-semitism? Who’s leader has a history of cavorting with the IRA?

    Perhaps Google might reply and tell him to put his own house in order before telling them how to run their business? Yeah, I know, wishful thinking.

    The problem isn’t that Google ban TR, its that the tech platforms don’t have clear terms that are applied consistently. If they did we could just about put up with the “their gaff, their rules” approach but they currently look like they are playing politics.

    Even then a blanket ban of the person is too far unless all his output breaks their Ts&Cs.

    Anyway, I suppose at least one of us needs to trot the old cliché :

    “First they came for Tommy Robinson and I did nothing because I don’t like Tommy Robinson……”

    And for added cliché points, we can’t forget this warning.

  10. “Just the poster child you don’t want to use to illustrate your point really. ”

    The voice of the middle class conservative with much invested in the status quo.
    But if you’re someone seeing your country changing around you. Changing into something you don’t recognise. Left behind and ignored. Then he’s a figure kicking back against the elite establishment.
    So he’s doorstepped a journalist? And how many times have we seen the might of the press camped outside the home of someone who’s caught their interest? Thrusting microphones into people’s faces? Climbing fences to peer into back windows?
    All right when they do it? Not when it’s done to them?

  11. The hard left always resorts to violence and censorship when it suits them. They don’t make any great secret of it. They don’t have to because the soft left is always ready to blame these things on the right.

  12. I was 12 when I saw ‘A Man for All Seasons’. My first grown up film.

    I was gob-smacked. I think it sort of grew me up overnight. It made me realise that the world I had been living in was not the real one. ‘Powerful’ is I think the adequate word for Paul Schofield’s performance. Disney, it is not!

    And I am with BiS and many others on this one. Our country is being forcibly changed without a mandate. You don’t have to hate anybody to not want it. TR stands for his people (who may just happen to be a majority) and has the traditional bloddy-mindedness of the British working class. Those who have organised the change in our society, but do not have to live it, sit in their supposed moral-superiority ivory tower and cannot allow him. He (and what he represents) is their nemesis and they know it.

  13. I can’t remember when I first saw Man for all Seasons, but I was 12 when I first read Animal Farm and that had a similarly profound affect. I don’t even know why I picked it up, it wasn’t a school text but I certainly understood the significance.

  14. Note how the usually-censorious Twitter Left, who revel in getting the insufficiently-Left banninated from Twitter, went apoplectic when the Rachel Swindon account was removed. They really, really didn’t think it was going to happen to one of them.

    Beds, and lying in them, spring to mind.

  15. @bilbaoboy on March 5, 2019 at 7:55 pm said:

    I was 12 when I saw ‘A Man for All Seasons’. [1966 film]

    Snap – but the play

  16. The problem could be resolved by clearly applied terms and conditions for social media platforms. Users can report others who are inciting or promoting violent or illegal activities, they get investigated and if there is a case to answer they get kicked off. The caveat being that users who report opponents for spurious reasons e.g. they disagree or dislike the person they are targeting get a warning and if they repeat it they get removed. The fanatics and the extremists (of all stripes) can simply move to more suitable channels. Platforms like YouTube were intended to be entertainment channels, not for moral crusades or for inciting aggression against groups or individuals considered to have the ‘wrong’ characteristics.

  17. There is an interesting book called the War of the Flea by Robert Taber about revolutionary guerilla warfare. It was published a while ago in the 1960s and the CIA bought up the entire first printing – not because it was so dangerous that the Public couldn’t be allowed access to it but it was so good it was issued as a standard text to their operatives. It can be dowloaded as a PDF here:

    https://wrathoftheawakenedsaxon.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/the-war-of-the-flea.pdf

    One of the questions he asked was “Why do people, when the risks and dangers are so great, both to themselves and their families, resort to armed revolution in a totalitarian State?” His answer was quite simple – they cannot get any redress to their grievances either through the ballot box or through the Courts. Think of such topics as the Brexit process and the disregarding of the referendum result, law and order, taxation, immigration, Islam, loss of liberties etc. etc.

    Any redress through the ballot box? Nope. All political parties are singing from the same hymn sheet and dismissing anything they disagree with as “populism” – i.e. anything that the vast majority of the country wants is redefined by them as populism and can be arrogantly ignored. Wait until the next election when there is a 52%/48% split in the votes where the current government loses and the politicians dismiss this as the plebs not knowing what they want and ignoring the result. Or adopting a few policies from the winning faction and saying “This is what the knuckledraggers voted for” and carrying on. Why not? They have set a precedent with Brexit.

    Any chance of the Law Courts siding with the people of the country and reversing the Governments policies? Again, not a chance. Rather they uphold stupid and malicious legislation. And any situation where it costs you more to obey the law than to disregard it is a dangerous situation …

    Does that seem an accurate picture of Britain, right now? If the grudging answer is yes, then the inevitable conclusion is that there will be a revolution, sooner or later. And when it happens it will be something to see from afar. I’m in New Zealand and living in a small (less than 80 houses) rural town and am hopefully far enough away to avoid the fall out.

    My opinion is that there are a number of threads and trends in Britain coming together in a maelstrom of synergy and that the whole country is akin to a powder keg. The left have made civilised dialogue and reasonable debate impossible and are dangerously close to people deciding they have nothing to lose.

    I have seen an opinion that the left considers violence to be like a volume control that can be turned up or down at will. The right see it as an on/off switch, which is my attitude towards violence. I will studiously avoid violence but if I am pushed and decide to use violence, then it is full out and no holds barred until the target either changes shape, explodes or starts to burn (ex-Royal Armoured Corps people will recognise the reference). Moderation in defeating an enemy is a mistake.

    If and/or when the trouble starts, the left will realise that they are NOT in control of the volume knob and the resulting Civil War will be bloody and ruthless. There is at least a half century of anger to vent and your uniform is likely to be your skin colour, as a starter. The left, siding with the immigrants will be dealt with accordingly (again, IMHO).

    The signs are not looking good, eh?

  18. One egg.
    On Jeremy Corbyn.
    Which did not turn him into an egghead.

    Calm down dears. Another cup of tea, perhaps, m’ladies?

  19. Phil makes some good points.

    The left claims its OK to punch fascists on the basis that preemptively stopping fascists might have saved us from Hitler and Franco:

    The idea is essentially to prevent and then eradicate the spread of fascism.

    Parallels can be drawn between today’s hard line Antifa activists and those who traveled from around the world to join the Spanish revolutionaries in their fight against Franco during the Spanish civil war.

    The Spanish revolutionaries were defending not just against Franco, but against other fascists such as Mussolini and Hitler, and were therefore forced to take up arms against this onslaught of empire and fascism.

    The problem is they now define anyone who is not one of them as a fascist and “literally worse than Hitler”. This then gives them moral license to attack anyone they disagree with. If you haven’t been following what’s going on in Portland, OR, I suggest reading some of Mr Andy Ngo’s output on the subject.

    But its not just on the extreme left; the centre left doesn’t engage with the centre right, whereas the centre right is prepared to engage with, and listen to, the centre left. I can’t find the research but some was done so it’ll have to be a couple of anecdotes:

    Jack Dorsey on the Sam Harris podcast reckoned that on Twitter centre left journalists mostly follow centre left journalists, creating an echo chamber, whereas centre right journalists follow centre left journalists.

    I listen to both the New Statesman and Spectator podcasts. The Spectator podcast regularly has guests from the left, including Stephen Bush of the New Statesman, and they often print articles from the left. On the other hand, I’ve not heard any centre right journalist on the New Statesman podcast. Even worse, Helen Lewis is always quick to go argumentum ad hominem whenever a Tory is mentioned. She’s even worse when it comes to Brendan O’Neill.

    Compare how often you hear Labour MPs say they could never be friends with or even talk to Tory MPs with how often you hear the opposite.

    This is not good for political and social stability.

    Edit: PS I should say I’ve never heard anyone on the Spectator podcast make argumentum ad hominemon the left.

  20. There will be literally nothing left to preserve if the western democracies continue on this current path. Voting and politics is not going to change it, the Deep State makes sure of that. We should welcome politicians being assaulted, even killed, while going about their business of transforming the nations they are responsible for into 3rd world shitholes with them as our rulers. I wouldn’t lift a finger to help the police in any such matter I was a witness to and I would acquit if I was on a jury. They had their chance to right the ship, now it is our turn. And a new captain and crew is the first order of business.

  21. People seem to have forgotten that democracy is very much NOT the default, and its purpose is to enable changes of policy and government without bloodshed, which was the standard way of doing these things for the majorty of human history.

    It is thus necessary that the results of democratic votes be respected. If not, the default state gets closer and closer to the surface again.

  22. Parallels can be drawn between today’s hard line Antifa activists and those who traveled from around the world to join the Spanish revolutionaries in their fight against Franco during the Spanish civil war.

    Parallels can also be drawn between today’s hard-line Antifa activists and the communist and anarchist activists of the Spanish Second Republic. You know, those same activists who ended up convincing half the country that Spain was on the verge of being taken over by murderous commies, and that the only way to stop them was by launching a military coup to take them out first.

  23. Latin American countries have often had politicians who encourage violence against those they dislike.
    I am not sure Colombia in the 1930s is a good model to follow.

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