Flags of their fathers

I wrote recently about Somali-born Ilhan Omar, who no sooner was elected to the US Congress when she declared the majority of Americans were a problem that she intends to solve. My closing remarks were:

I’m sure there are lots of very good, principled arguments for allowing Ilhan Omar to run for Congress and then denounce Americans as white supremacists, just as I am sure there are sound reasons for allowing known jihadists to roam free in European capitals. But the question is, can a society which tolerates this survive?

Yesterday another newly-elected congresswoman, Rashida Tlaib, was causing a stir because she’d said in relation to Donald Trump “we’re gonna impeach the motherf****r.” The media has been going giddy about Tlaib since the midterms, mainly because along with Omar they are the first Muslim women elected to Congress. Unlike Omar, Tlaib was actually born in the US to Palestinian parents, which is why her mother turned up to her election celebration bearing a foreign flag:

It is odd that so-called conservatives are more concerned about Tlaib speaking like a Eminem (they are both from Detroit) than a brand-new congresswoman wrapping herself in a Palestinian flag and boasting to impeach a sitting, duly-elected president for no apparent reason. And as if people were unsure of her intentions, she made them abundantly clear a little later:


Americans and European liberals will see Tlaib’s election to Congress as a triumph of democracy, an embodiment of the American dream. A lot of other people will wonder what sort of experiment the Americans are running here, and exactly how it will end. One thing is for sure, it’s hard to imagine this happening in societies which stick around for a while.

Liked it? Take a second to support Tim Newman on Patreon!
Share

24 thoughts on “Flags of their fathers

  1. All societies (d)evolve and atrophy it seems, America appears to be stuck on fast forward and perhaps the end of the experiment as you call it will be played out in the next 10-15 years? I have had a deep life long family involvement with America and I’m horrified just how twisted and demented it has become in relatively short space of time. Writers like Zman offer possible solutions to the growing problems but they all seem to end in blood, I’ve never been happier to be English even with our ongoing nonsense.

  2. Peter Turchin thinks the end game starts in the 2020’s, probably the election that year.

    At some point, civil war becomes an inevitable necessity.

  3. The whole melting pot thing was always a bit of a fantasy wasn’t it? So many Yanks seem to consider themselves to be Irish,Italian, Korean, whatever-Americans rather than just Americans.

    I wonder if the decision of the Septics to only play sports that no-one else does was a cunning plan to create the illusion of unity. How many Americans would fail the Tebbit test if they played cricket or football against the ‘old countries’?

  4. “The whole melting pot thing was always a bit of a fantasy wasn’t it? So many Yanks seem to consider themselves to be Irish,Italian, Korean, whatever-Americans rather than just Americans.”

    Not really. Most of the people who immigrated to America went there to become Americans. Americans first, whatever they’d been, secondary. There were German Americans fought the Germans in WW1. German Americans & Italian Americans fought the Germans & Italians in WW2. Japanese Americans who fought Japan. After initially being interned as foreign nationals.
    It’s only recently there’s been people immigrating to America to fight the Americans.

  5. You’re all being way too gloomy about this, particularly the zman; this is going to end badly for Ms. Palestine and her ilk and in a most amusing way.

    American elections are not won by convincing east and west coast elites to get out and vote but the people in flyover country. Dearborn, Michigan has the largest Muslim population in the USA and she may represent many of the electorate there but it’s not hard to imagine a blue collar worker (white or black) in that area pondering why they just voted Democratic for someone to be so openly anti-American the moment they took office.

    This may be the moment generational Democratic voters start to consider the alternatives. “Blexit” as Candice Owens puts it.

    The 2020 primaries are going to be very popcorn-worthy as the coalition of the oppressed fight it out to be the democratic nominee. People like Tlaib and that silly Cortez woman aren’t going to help this process, quite the opposite.

    As go the Palestinian flag-waving; Trump’s laid out his preference on that issue already. It would be unadvisable to pick that as a battle ground.

  6. Ok. Occasionally there’s an ad that produces a popup then hijacks the page to some Amazon gift voucher shite.

    It’s becoming a tad annoying.

  7. “But the question is, can a society which tolerates this survive?”

    I live in Omar’s district, where she was elected by our ultra-progressive, ultra-Somali politically-active voters. It’s a lonely life . . . .

    But I’m convinced that a society that does NOT tolerate her election is the one that won’t survive.

    Keeping such views and philosophies quelled and under the radar is more dangerous to us than allowing them to speak and vote freely. They’re always going to be a small minority, they’re always going to be confrontational and abusive and anti-American, and so they’re always going to trigger a backlash that might not appear if they weren’t constantly getting in our faces.

    I’d rather know for certain what various social groups are thinking. I’d rather that our population of Normals is aware of where the idiots are, and what they’re attempting to do.

    Plus, they’re self-limiting when they get a platform. The Palestinian’s “m-f-er” comment, and Omar’s recent slew of comments, actually work against their aspirations, as their “fellow” Democrats hastily back away from them. I would guess that the m-f-er comment marginally decreased the chance that the Dems will try the impeachment route soon.

  8. Keeping such views and philosophies quelled and under the radar is more dangerous to us than allowing them to speak and vote freely.

    I agree, suppressing speech is not the answer and will do more harm than good. However, as I’ve said before, I don’t think denying the vote to people who were not born citizens is particularly oppressive, nor is imposing a 10 or 20 year period of citizenship before allowing newcomers to vote. And I’d have to be persuaded that America would be catastrophically worse off if Somalians and Palestinians were not permitted to run for elected office.

  9. “One thing is for sure, it’s hard to imagine this happening in societies which stick around for a while.”

    Then one looks at UK from HoL & HoC to Councils, police & judiciary and see where it leads…

    …a country at war with itself.

  10. @Ducky McDuckface on January 5, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    Ad block – uBlock origin
    Tracker block – Ghostery
    JavaScript block – NoScript

  11. Protecting democracy by ensuring the legitimacy of each vote is the most important step.
    Purging the voter rolls of the dead and relocated, abolishing the postal vote and insisting on voter ID would erode her base. This should apply both sides of the Atlantic.

  12. Agree with Ducky. I can no longer open this blog on my mobile without the browser being hijacked.

    Pcar, I for one ain’t gonna spend 4 hours doing tech things I am incompetent at to get one step ahead of fraudulent adverts.

  13. Re: adverts. Sorry about this, I thought I’d fixed it (it seems to be a problem with Android). If it happens to anyone, post the URL in the comments and I’ll block it.

  14. American politics has had fanatics and fruitcakes since the Founding Fathers. Some of them got elected, no harm done. (If you’d run for say the second Congress on an anti slavery ticket, they’d have thought you a weirdo.)

    Anyhow, I agree with William of Ockham. Far better to have the loons in the community than hidden away in some institution somewhere.

  15. “The whole melting pot thing was always a bit of a fantasy wasn’t it? So many Yanks seem to consider themselves to be Irish,Italian, Korean, whatever-Americans rather than just Americans.”

    It worked pretty well.

    But one essential difference is that there wasn’t a large welfare state. Welfare states are a disaster for integration. People often come to a country and stay in a community at first, and gradually integrate. And the best way to do that is trade. Jews discover they like Chinese food, Italians hire an Irish plumber who is good.

  16. American politics has had fanatics and fruitcakes since the Founding Fathers.

    Quite, but I don’t think this is an argument in favour of importing more.

  17. I go on holiday for a couple of weeks and suddenly there’s a Constitutional crisis in the US. Something huge must have come up when I was wasn’t looking!

    Oh, wait, she just means “the wrong person got elected, therefore the rules are wrong”.

    Got it now.

  18. What Rustovich said…..

    Use the Brave browser.

    Has the added advantage of sticking two fingers to Google

  19. @Bloke in Germany on January 6, 2019 at 9:15 am

    4 hours?

    More like 4 minutes: google [mybrowser] [my os] ublock adblock; visit site; install; done

  20. ” I for one ain’t gonna spend 4 hours doing tech things I am incompetent at to get one step ahead of fraudulent adverts.”

    Yet you do, no doubt, purchase goods or services via the internet? Do internet banking? Jeez!

  21. “I fled/my parents fled $Country because its barbarian culture had made it a lawless, impoverished 3rd world shithole. I/They chose $Here because its culture makes it safe, lawful and wealthy. So the first thing I want to do is change its culture into that which made my home country a shithole and so make the same happen here!”

    These people are gold dust to the real republicans and Normals. They are so extreme and so deranged they just invite a sensible response from the normally politically inactive.

    Indeed, if they didn’t exist, it would be necessary to invent them……

    Which suggests a rather cunning and mischievous game. So which of these “Make US a shithole!” ingrates is for real, and which are Republican plants?…..
    Fetch popcorn.

    It’s said the best way to destroy an insurgency is to get it to tear itself apart killing internal “traitors”. Methinks the principle can be applied generally…

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *