Video Nasties

Apparently there’s a video doing the rounds on social media showing the beheading of one of the Scandinavian girls who were murdered in Morocco’s Atlas Mountains a few days ago. Yesterday I read the tweets of people who for some unknown reason had tracked it down and watched it; all severely regretted it, with some sounding as though they’re never going to be able to get the images and screams out of their heads.

I have no idea why people would watch a video like that: if you’re an ordinary person who’s never been exposed to extreme trauma, it’s going to damage you in some way (if not, you’re probably a psychopath). I skimmed a written description of what happens in the video and that was more than enough for me: it’s horrific. It’s a rather odd world we live in where people are kicked off social media for expressing unapproved opinions, but jihadist beheading videos circulate freely.

When I was in Nigeria a video did the rounds on Facebook of two Nigerian men who’d been caught by a mob in Port Hartcourt accused of stealing laptops. They were stripped naked, beaten unconscious, and set on fire. I watched it unawares, as did a few of my colleagues. Later we discussed it, and all of us lost sleep over it. It’s why I avoided watching the video of ISIS burning the Jordanian pilot to death, I knew it would damage me psychologically.

Bizarrely, reading Twitter yesterday reminded me of the YouTube phenomenon from some years back called “2 Girls 1 Cup Reactions”. 2 Girls 1 Cup was a horrific video in which two Brazilian girls did some seriously disgusting things with one another; the “reactions” videos filmed people watching it while not showing the actual video (they’re easy to find on YouTube still; the video itself is described here on Wikipedia). People literally threw up on camera while watching it, and I thought any video which makes people do that is one I want to avoid. Similarly, if people are on Twitter saying they’re still shaking hours after watching a real-life snuff film in which a young woman screams for her mother while being beheaded, it’s one I hope I die without seeing.

Finally, whereas the two women were probably a bit naive to go hiking in the Atlas Mountains alone, and their Scandinavian background probably didn’t prepare them well for the dangers in the wider world, I think it’s a bit unfair to criticise them for not expecting to encounter jihadis. Morocco is a pretty safe place, and although tourists are warned parts of the Atlas Mountains are a bit sketchy in terms of being robbed, they are nonetheless a popular destination for thousands of hikers who return unharmed. I guess the girls were more unlucky than naive, although naivety certainly played a part. I said much the same when those cyclists were murdered in Tajikistan earlier this year.

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42 thoughts on “Video Nasties

  1. “What kind of person saws off a young woman’s head?”

    One in thrall to an evil ideology that our ‘betters’ have a) invited the adherents of into our country and b) tell us is ‘peaceful’.

  2. What kind of person saws off a young woman’s head?

    Well yeah, that’s another question entirely to which everyone except our benighted leaders know the answer.

  3. And yet both these women wanted to import millions of their killers’ “brothers” into their own countries.

  4. I listened to a journalist who writes about ISIS beheadings talk about how she copes. She said she recognised when the beheading was going to be done and covered the victim’s face. She had a good therapist who she talked to, a lot.

    I suppose some people have to watch them to ensure they are catalogued to see if there are clues that might lead to the perpetrators being found and becoming drone victims. I see no reason why the should be in the public domain acting as both recruiting sergeant for ISIS and entertainment for warped people. Those people need as much mental health support as some of those returning from wars, if not more.

  5. I’d say the cyclists were taking a much bigger risk. IIRC, they were trying to cycle around the world or some such. Possibly just across Asia. These two young ladies were traveling to one specific area that, as you say, they could reasonably expect to be somewhat safe. In reading the original story there was reference to “other campers” who had video of these scum getting away. It wasn’t clear to me if they were with a group or just in an area where there likely would be other campers. Either way, in the context of current discussions of high trust and low trust societies, even in a high trust area such as hiking here in the US I try to remember to at the very least take some sort of knife with me. I would advise two young women to be much more prepared than that no matter where they were planning to go. Martial arts training possibly being the minimum option.

  6. It ought to be obvious, but I’m going to say it anyway… in no way did they deserve to come to this horrific and grizzly end.

    But… I think perhaps you’re being a bit generous… Me, I think they were incredibly stupid, and more than that, as evidenced by their embrace of European ‘refugees welcome’ propaganda, they were laden with smug, liberal hubris.

    There’s a whole thread about how they were betrayed by their society and upbringing, into believing that the world is all fluffy bunnies and my little pony, but at the end of the day, we all have to be responsible for our own choices and actions.

  7. Plenty of amazing places in the world to visit containing zero or very few members of our favourite religion so why visit somewhere full of them? I’d sooner never leave home than voluntarily spend time in the presence of any of them and as for my daughters when they are older…over my proverbial!

  8. Hi Julia 🙂

    Do you know… it’s been a year to the day since I last posted on my blog, shortly after which I took it down.

    But after listening to Tim’s podcast with Devil’s Kitchen, I decided to give it all another go, since arguing with the numpties beneath articles on old media sites is so utterly futile.

  9. I watched one beheading video, and it cured me of any desire to see another. As Eliot said,
    “humankind cannot bear very much reality”.

    What’s interesting is that as an adolescent I would probably have wanted to watch the video of the girl’s beheading, out of morbid and ignorant curiosity. I couldn’t have done that, of course, and I think I benefited from not being able to. But now we’ve got a whole generation of adolescents who can easily do it.

    Progress, eh?

  10. We’re importing people who can gleefully behead someone into a nation of people who can’t even watch it on youtube without being traumatised. And this is why I’m fully behind the worst kind of neo-nazis and violent street criminals when they attack immigrants; because they are the only people in our society who are capable of fighting back. It’s the only army we have in the coming war.

  11. @JuliaM on December 22, 2018 at 4:31 pm said:

    “Was. WAS a pretty safe place.”

    I was thinking the same this morning re Africa, Middle East, Pak, Bang, Ind etc and even parts of Europe.

    All much more dangerous than 20 years ago – progress?

    We’re going backwards 🙁

  12. Oh, I couldn’t care less about the Saddam Hussein hanging video. Probably wouldn’t have cared if they’d set him on fire. That f*cker had what was coming to him.

  13. I sort of semi disagree with Tim re the videos not being shown.

    If those girls had seen a similar video and such videos had been published and widely circulated, then perhaps it might have saved them. It might have altered the “but they don’t mean US because we are nice people” attitude and usefully altered the attitude towards Muslims. Perhaps it might even reverse the current self delusion of the “Refugees Welcome” crowd (though that is a forlorn hope).

    The lack of creditable response from the western politicians and the politically correct idiots can only encourage the Muslims to continue their invasion and subjugation of the west. Bombs and running over people with trucks are easier mass murders for them but once they have full control, then this sort of thing will become commonplace. Saudi Arabia still has public executions and chopping hands off in the main squares. Why not the same for Kaffirs and fully in accordance with the Koran?

    No, have the video on a continuous loop on all the major news channels (like the American networks did with the oil spill by the oil rig hired by BP) 24/7 just to make sure that the message gets through.

  14. Even ignoring personalities involved, I think the difference in the mechanics between Saddam getting long-dropped leading to an instant, (relatively) humane death vs someone getting their head sawed off slowly with a knife should be obvious….

  15. PhilB: “If those girls had seen a similar video and such videos had been published and widely circulated, then perhaps it might have saved them. “

    It’s nice to think so. But I think you underestimate the astonishing capacity for self-delusion of Millenials. Mr Black said it best up above: “We’re importing people who can gleefully behead someone into a nation of people who can’t even watch it on youtube without being traumatised.”

    Sadly, I very much doubt seeing those videos would have changed a thing. It would have been rationalised away by them as ‘the product of the west’s inhumanity towards Muslims’ or some such bollocks.

    Al Jahom: “…after listening to Tim’s podcast with Devil’s Kitchen, I decided to give it all another go…”

    Good man!

  16. @JuliaM – you are right and that is why I said it was a forlorn hope that the people concerned would learn from simply observing the many reports of Muslim Atrocities and draw the obvious conclusions.

    She apparently linked this video on her farcebook (no, NOT a spelling mistake) page …

    https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1076221983535366145

    Can we nominate her for a Darwin award?

  17. Lots of interesting comments.

    @JuliaM

    Sadly, I very much doubt seeing those videos would have changed a thing. It would have been rationalised away by them as ‘the product of the Occupation.

    Yup 🙂

    That said, I think @Phil B has a valid point. Whereas in the public sphere, the official answer of “It’s all our fault” would not have been overturned by everyone watching these videos, in private a lot of people would have quietly decided to vacation in Spain instead of Morocco. Nothing To Do With Islam, the Spanish Siesta is just so appealing. We’ll go to Morocco for sure… next year…

    And as for changing public opinion, the bombings and massacres will do the trick. It’s just a question of how long it will take, and how the politicians will react.

    @Mr Black

    And this is why I’m fully behind the worst kind of neo-nazis and violent street criminals when they attack immigrants

    The people who lead the pushback against Islamization will be the ones who determine what your nation looks like in the aftermath. If no moderate center-right emerges, then you will be left to choose between Leftist/Islamic tyranny and Fascist tyranny. I think an indiscriminate embrace of the right is just as damaging as professing that to the right of Corbyn can be found only different flavors of Hitler.

    Re: General point under discussion.

    I think the videos should be available. If they were not, the claim that ISIS beheads westerners would have been dismissed as a racist rumor, a kind of Zionist propaganda. Now it’s an incontrovertible fact.

    I don’t think keeping them online helps ISIS propaganda much. There area thousand ways to propagate these videos. Humeini prepared the masses for the Iranian revolution from Europe by distributing audio cassettes. There are whatsapp channels, email chains, a thousand different ways. Censoring youtube will do more to hide the danger from the Westerners than reduce recruitment.

    I wouldn’t let teenagers watch them. I understand why they would be drawn to them. I think every adult should watch exactly one. It’s a bit like the videos from the concentration camps.

  18. I think an indiscriminate embrace of the right is just as damaging as professing that to the right of Corbyn can be found only different flavors of Hitler.

    I realise the damage that could be done by an authoritarian regime in the west, but at least it will be OUR regime. In time such things will pass and our nations and culture will recover, as it always has. If instead of that, we become a minority in our own countries while being “sensibly” governed, we will never again have a place that is our own. We can never recover if immigration on this scale continues. We need a regime that will send these people home with a rifle in their backs to ensure immediate compliance, no “sensible” government will ever do that and so sensible government is just well managed suicide.

  19. God made fools great and small,

    And although their fate may appall,

    They went to Maroć,

    To taste Muzzie cock,
    Now they serve as a message to all.

  20. What kind of person saws off a young woman’s head?

    Every family gets to practice rough sawing on a sheep to celebrate Eid. It’s pretty brutal, loud and messy. All the menfolk try to participate. From there to an infidel’s neck isn’t a big step.
    Meanwhile back in the West, the turn to veganism reflects a level of squeamishness about how humankind survived to get to our present state of abundance that makes me wonder how the next generation will fight back against the hostile colonists.

  21. Hey Tim, I might be late to the party for this but I’ve seen the video and tweeted a comment on how the deaths were reported by the BBC – i.e. “neck wounds” v. beheaded whilst screaming for their mother. My point, being a bit subtle, was that the news in the UK is so heavily censored and sanitised that people are easily able to distance themselves from how sh*t reality can be. I think this leads to the problem where, after the latest Muslim terrorist outrage that was nothing to do with Islam, the population lights a bunch of tealights, sings “Don’t Look Back in Anger” and proclaims that “there’s more in common than what divides us”. It’s basically denying that there’s any issue.

    Maybe the reaction would be different if it was reported that the eight year old killed in the Manchester bombing was shredded to pieces, her remains scraped off the floor and walls of the arena and carted away in a bucket by some poor emergency services worker? Or if it was common knowledge that the body of the 11 year old deaf girl killed in the Stockholm truck attack was squashed and burst like a ripe watermelon?

    I’ve seen many videos of the aftermath of such attacks. They are disturbing and horrific but they are the reality of what happened. It makes me angry. No doubt it would make other people angry if they were made very aware of the violent and gruesome deaths suffered by people like them, and not just the brown folk thousands of miles away. Perhaps things might be different if people were angry rather than lighting yet another candle?

  22. I might be late to the party for this but I’ve seen the video and tweeted a comment on how the deaths were reported by the BBC – i.e. “neck wounds” v. beheaded whilst screaming for their mother.

    I have no doubt the true horror is being covered up by the media; the French media didn’t report the mutilations the terrorists at the Bataclan carried out on living victims, either.

    Perhaps things might be different if people were angry rather than lighting yet another candle?

    I don’t know. I don’t think it’s a lack of awareness, I think it’s a far greater problem: a self-hatred which makes too many people excuse this kind of stuff. You had that Swedish woman who was raped but didn’t tell the police he was a swarthy foreigner because she didn’t want him deported. I don’t think these people would get angry at the videos, they’d just start blubbering and seeking the nearest Play Doh. Those who would get angry are angry enough already without seeing the gory details.

  23. It’s a bit like the videos from the concentration camps.

    Those were shown to populations to make them aware of what evil looks like, without which many might not know or believe it. But in this case you’d have to be willfully blind not to see evil, video or not. Despite the governments’ attempts to cover this stuff up, nobody who has been in denial this long after this many incidents is going to change their mind by seeing a video. As I say above, they’d just start blubbering.

  24. @Tim

    the French media didn’t report the mutilations the terrorists at the Bataclan carried out on living victims, either.

    Back in the day I read an article with a sensational headline to that effect, but when I followed the links I got to a report of on interview which did not emphatically assert that.

    Have these reports been verified in any way? Are there credible, non-official witness reports?

    This seems to me an opposite case compared to the beheading videos. There are no public videos – therefore, there is doubt. Of course, it could just be me who missed it.

    As an historical note, I have read a few memoirs of Israeli generals over the last year or two, most of whom fought in Israel’s war of independence. Two of them happened to be present in the aftermath of an Arab victory – one occasion when 35 soldiers who got lost on the way to the Etsion bloc on Jan 15 1948, and another (April 8th 1948) when a platoon was overrun at the Kastel village on the road to Jerusalem. They did not go so far as to describe the condition of the Israeli corpses which they witnessed, but they did describe the effect witnessing it had on them – an iron determination to prevail. The Arabs took no prisoners in those battles.

  25. The reason to watch it is to harden yourself to horrors and to develop your spirit to fight against worse horrors to come. Tim Larkin a self defence trainer observes that violence is only very,very rarely the answer in life. But when it is it is the ONLY answer that will do . Self defence is war in microcosm. Those girls lives were taken from them by scum. But their screams may yet give some meaning to their lives if people in the West can put the steel in their souls from the sound.

  26. I don’t know. I don’t think it’s a lack of awareness, I think it’s a far greater problem: a self-hatred which makes too many people excuse this kind of stuff.

    The Swedish have their heads in the sand. Climate change, not immigration or terrorism is the biggest concern of the population. It’s a nation perceived as being generous, welcoming and, quite honestly, a bit soft. It’s ripe for people taking advantage of their placid nature and sure enough, you have the immigrant take-over of an entire city (Malmö) with grenade attacks commonplace and the demographics so skewed by the enrichment over the last few years that the entire country will turn brown and Muslim in a couple of generations.

    The Germans on the other hand have realised they done f*ked up and started voting AfD. Hopefully they can begin to drop that collective guilt over WW2 when more and more of them realise that the goat-botherers they cheered on illegally entering the country aren’t going to work, aren’t going to integrate and might get a bit rapey when bored.

    Sweden is doomed, but I think you could make the average Brit in a neutral position pretty angry and demand change by publishing the uncensored aftermath of a visit from the Truck of Peace on the front pages of the Sun and the Mail.

  27. @Phil B on December 23, 2018 at 9:16 am

    Do you have youtube link for the vid she posted on FB? FB & Twit vids won’t play here.

  28. “I Remember Babylon” Arthur C. Clarke

    True, he thought the vector would be satellite TV, and the agent an hostile foreign nation. He didn’t anticipate Youtube, or that it would be religously driven. But in other respects, he was spot on. Not bad for 50 years ago.

  29. @Pcar, no – I only had the original farcebook posting. Sometimes videos won’t play in Opera (my preferred browser) but will in Firefox so you could try that approach.

    Essentially the video shows a woman and a 5 or 6 year old child walking down a street following a blond, white businessman carrying a briefcase. A Muslim man (long Kaftan type clothes) carrying a bag over his shoulder starts to parallel her on the other side of the street. She looks nervous and a police car with plain clothes policemen pulls up, the police jump out and start running towards her and the other two.

    The police jump on the businessman character and pull out drugs from his briefcase while the Muslim meets his family and pulls a pink fold up childs scooter from the bag for his dressed in pink daughter who he picks up and it’s all happy families …

    The message is “You have nothing to fear from immigrants. They are just like us but with better sun tans. Shame on you for even thinking about this. Evil white men, the source of all evil in the world on the other hand …”.

    Oddly enough I am re-reading Eves Bite by Iain Wishart and many of the themes he explores describe and detail how propaganda works. Although perfected by the Nazis, the rest of the west has learned and applied the lessons on how to influence and channel public opinion using the techniques the Nazis developed and the influence is so pervasive that the “a fish is not aware that it is in water” analogy applies in spades.

  30. I disagree

    I think everyone should watch this video. This is who is coming to our countries. Sure, NAMALT but enough are and the ones who aren’t like that provide moral cover for the ones that are.

    Why hasn’t their government done some pay back? I’m talking about sinking a Moroccan Naval ship or sending in some special forces to wreck the local mosque

  31. “Sure, NAMALT but enough are and the ones who aren’t like that provide moral cover for the ones that are.”

    The thing I don’t get is that when an organisation shows a ‘a few bad eggs’ in a way the Left don’t like (some racist policemen for example) that is taken a prima facie evidence that the organisation is rotten to the core and must be fundamentally reformed, if not removed from society totally. Yet when a significant proportion of Muslims behave in abhorrent manners, thats in no way representative of the religion as a whole, and we must not in any way make any negative judgements about those not directly involved in the evil doing. Its as if during WW2 we were told ‘Not all Nazis are like that. They don’t all want to gas all the Jews, its just a few mentally ill people perverting Nazi ideology in a way thats abhorrent to the mainstream Nazi party which just wants to live in peace in its Lebensraum’.

  32. I watched it. Far from the worst I’ve seen.
    The most horrific I’ve watched were the Daniel Pearl beheading, the Jordanian Air Force pilot being burned & videos of people being stoned to death.

    That is; If there’s such a thing as degrees of horror in terrorist murders.

  33. The most horrific I’ve watched were the Daniel Pearl beheading, the Jordanian Air Force pilot being burned & videos of people being stoned to death.

    Do you show them on the big screen in your pub once the footy’s finished?

  34. Do you show them on the big screen in your pub once the footy’s finished?

    Only because slow-motion moving pictures are required before the Welsh expatriates among the clientele will understand what is on the news.

  35. Only because slow-motion moving pictures are required before the Welsh expatriates among the clientele will understand what is on the news.

    Welshmen are watching the TV when there is no rugby on, instead of the beer taps? Are you sure they’re Welsh?!

  36. Welshmen are watching the TV when there is no rugby on, instead of the beer taps? Are you sure they’re Welsh?!

    The cunning, and I suspect infallible, detection method used by me was;
    1/. noting that they understood both cricket & rugby
    2/. the nature of their response when addressed as “You English….”

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