Macron’s mess

Twitter was rather lively over the weekend concerning photos and videos emerging from the latest round of riots in Paris in which armoured personnel carriers bearing the EU flag are seen rumbling through the streets towards unarmed protesters:


Now various people popped up to say this isn’t really a big deal because the vehicles aren’t really part of an EU authority, and even if they are it’s not really related to the EU because reasons, and for all I know they may be right. But one has to wonder just how tin-eared Macron and his cabinet are to put these vehicles onto the streets bearing that flag at a time like this. Macron was only recently calling for an EU army, and as I said some time ago the first deployment of any such body will likely be against the unarmed citizens of an EU member state. Optics matter, and previous French presidents would have known not to be as cack-handed as this. Macron not only appears incompetent, but more isolated from the country he governs with each passing day.

I read this morning that Macron now intends to sit with union leaders to discuss the crisis. These are presumably the same unions who fully backed the Paris climate change agreement which brought about the fuel tax hikes in the first place*. My guess is he’s talking to them because nobody else has put themselves forward.

*In my last place of work, the white-collar unions were passing around flyers protesting the acquisition of a rival oil company because it was incompatible with global commitments to reduce fossil fuel use and tackle climate change. Yes, the unions were more interested in supranational vanity projects than securing long-term employment for their members.

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26 thoughts on “Macron’s mess

  1. Macron is a true believer in CAGW. He probably thought his first target, petit bourgeois country dwellers, artisans, delivery men, very small businesses, would lack organisation and couldn’t oppose the Paris consensus.
    Turns out he was wrong.

  2. Wow those military like APC’s it’s hard to keep up with all the pretty major stuff that is going down. Not sure about France, but standing armies even national ones and not transnational ones, up against the people is well err unconstitutional.

    I reckon Macron is done, he has lost the upper hand, he rolled on the first round and I cant see where he can go from here except down. The Euro project was always doomed and just a matter of time, good on the petite bourgeois for rising up. Now we have Merkel the Euro CEO passing the baton to another hun dour bitch, eastern Europe saying non, the south is economically fucked at the expense of the Germans, Brexit disaster, Porky carrying on in the Ukraine, traditional parties decimated, Erdogan threatening to let lose millions more immigrants into Europe, Trump cheering on protesters against a democratically elected leader and a bit of Yank Chinese hostage taking in Canada in the middle of it.

    Surely we have reached the defining point of Peak Bullshit.

  3. the unions were more interested in supranational vanity projects than securing long-term employment for their members.

    Well, their primary goal is securing long-term employment for their leaders. If this can be achieved securing long-term employment for their members, then that is an added bonus.

  4. Trump cheering on protesters against a democratically elected leader

    This is the point where Macron and the other pygmy leaders in Europe wish they hadn’t indulged in Trump- and America-bashing. When you piss over people just for a bit of cheap grandstanding, don’t expect any help when you fall flat on your face later.

  5. Slightly OT but … when it comes to making a mess, Macron is a novice compared to our Prime Minister. She seems to be so incompetent that, if she tried to make an omelette, she would end up with a dozen intact eggs.

  6. standing armies…up against the people is well err unconstitutional.

    Traditionally that’s what they were for. Which is why under English law the Crown has been banned from maintaining a standing army in peacetime since 1689, unless it gets explicit permission from Parliament (which it does every 5 years). Mad but true.

    As for the rest, yeah the cosy post-cold war consensus is finally breaking up and the political classes are demonstrating their competence dealing with it.

    As ever a tragedy to those who feel, a comedy to those who think.

  7. Slightly OT but … when it comes to making a mess, Macron is a novice compared to our Prime Minister. She seems to be so incompetent that, if she tried to make an omelette, she would end up with a dozen intact eggs.

    True, but look at the difference in expectations! Progressives everywhere went absolutely giddy over Macron before he’d even assumed office and knowing nothing about the man other than he was part of an approved elite.

  8. Okay thanks for the clarification cynic, got it now. It needs to be Martial Law in the UK and a State of Emergency in France which it was up until Nov 17 due to terrorism but it’s not at the moment.

    Operation Temperer in May 17 had the British Army on the streets reporting to the civilian police force, a bit of an oddball, was that Martial Law?

    Both of the current leaders show no resistance to this type of emergency level setting.

  9. From memory it’s “Military Aid to the Civil Power” same as in Oz. Notionally at least the civilians are in charge, with the Army just supplying muscle.

    So not technically martial law but the effect’s much the same.

  10. I never really understand the EU flag thing in this sort of context.

    Do they think their member states’ populations *like* to see it on paramilitary vehicles?
    Or do they think it’s of no significance and it’s just a bit of light branding?
    Or are they so confident that they’ve already won that they can gleefully rub people’s noses in their victory?

    Which is it?

  11. As I recall you’ve got three types in U.K all which bring the military in to work alongside government, all of which have to be authorised at high level, the US equivalent I assume is mobilisation of the National Guard via FEMA:
    MACA: Military aid to the civil authority (ie when assisting during fire fighters strikes)
    MACC: Military aid to the civil community (ie mobilising the local barracks to help to fill sandbags)
    MACP: Military aid to the Civil Protection – (its the Zombie apocalypse and the Paras get put on the streets to shoot anything outside past curfew)
    It’s been a while since I studied the civil contingencies act but it’s pretty easy to look up.

  12. “I read this morning that Macron now intends to sit with union leaders to discuss the crisis.”

    Are there any people in France that aren’t union members?

  13. He probably thought his first target, petit bourgeois country dwellers, artisans, delivery men, very small businesses, would lack organisation and couldn’t oppose the Paris consensus.

    I was under the impression that there isn’t really an organisational structure to these protests. There’s a load of disparate groups all protesting the same thing at the same time, and the only organisation gong on is a bloke on Facebook going “Same time next week?”
    Which is why the politicos are finding it hard to find someone to talk to – nobody wants to represent everyone, because they all want different things.

  14. Do they think their member states’ populations *like* to see it on paramilitary vehicles?
    Or do they think it’s of no significance and it’s just a bit of light branding?

    Lol.
    “disperse now. This assembly is now illegal.”
    *fires tear gas*
    “This police brutality is brought to you by your friends in the EU.”

  15. ” She seems to be so incompetent that, if she tried to make an omelette, she would end up with a dozen intact eggs.”

    Quite the opposite. In your illustration, we are no worse off than we were at the start. Any competent person could come along and deliver an omelette.

    TM has just thrown the eggs round the room, leaving the next in line without an omelette, with no eggs with which to make an omelette and a massive unworkable, sticky mess which will need cleaning up before any omelette can be made, assuming additional eggs can be found.

  16. Whiteboard Technician gets it right. We have civilian control of the armed forces and the Army in NI was under police command during the troubles and operations were police led, unless it really was too dangerous.

    As to the EU symbol on those APCs, I assumed its because that anything that is paid for with EU contributions, no matter how small, has to show th EU flag and if possible explain it. Those small flags are probably the least they could get away with.

  17. The vehicles are probably not army per se. Gendarmeries have always been partly-military; the word literally means armed men.

    As for the EU flags, the kit is probably Gendarmerie Nationale but available to the European Gendarmerie Force and marked up accordingly. In the same way we might have military kit with NATO markings for NATO missions, though those would normally be removed when turned to UK. Why EUROGENDFOR uses the EU flag when it’s not strictly an EU organisation and it has a badge of its own is curious; presumably because it’s more widely recognisable.

  18. Chernyy_Drakon
    +1

    Nice spot that the legal obligation to credit the EU for anything that they have funded, however small their portion, might have some adverse outcomes.

  19. @Rob on December 10, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    +1

    Re: Trump

    I’m sure he laughing at May’s latest “Strong & Stable” running away by cancelling tomorrows vote on her Surrender Agreement. She really is incompetent, and shoots herself in foot at every opportunity.

    Also sure he feels bad for betrayal of Leave’s Win

    Godfrey talks about our Doris
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkgPQYKh_1k

  20. “The vehicles are probably not army per se. Gendarmeries have always been partly-military; the word literally means armed men.”

    Yes a state of emergency is not required for their Old Bill to drive APC’s around town, a bit of a shit stir there by some.

    So I seen Maricons prerecorded unconditional surrender last night where he accepted all of the remaining demands of the petite bourgeois. I don’t think that his child rapist wife will be too worried about what decorations to put up on the Christmas Tree in the Palace this year.

    The only question left is which player from Team Global will replace him, are there any sightings of likely substitutes leaving the bench and warming up on the sidelines?

    If we must be forced into a collectivist political system then I think it has to be a system led by a benevolent dictator, this democracy thing has been busted wide open of late and yet the elite still work it to their best advantage.

    ………………………………………………………………………………..

    France lacks cohesion to advance reform

    In general, China’s system is sensitive and proactive in solving problems. China firmly believes that economic development and improving living standards are the top priorities of the nation. In contrast, European countries have a strong tolerance for disturbances, with France an example. If the yellow vest movement took place in developing countries, a “color revolution” might be triggered sooner or later. For France, however, the problem can be delayed by changing the administration.

    The development and governance logic of China and of the West are considerably different. Countries like France have more freedom, but lack cohesion. On the contrary, China has strong cohesiveness to make great achievements, but its vitality and flexibility within society are somewhat inadequate.

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1131183.shtml

    ……………………………………………………………………………………..

    ” She really is incompetent, and shoots herself in foot at every opportunity.”

    I hold the opposite view which is that her mission was always to scupper Brexit and that she has therefore played a blinder, and that she will most likely receive honours for this great achievement in the fullness of time.

  21. That blue is 100% gendarmes, so police. They’re reasonably heavily armed, but less so than a lot of US police, who have SWAT vehicles etc.

    No Frenchman would look at that an think anything of it. The CRS riot police are the heavy brigade, not the gendarmes.

  22. @Bardon

    “In contrast, European countries have a strong tolerance for disturbances”

    So, while busy repossessing Siberia, the Chinese comrades accidentally discovered a stash of mostly unused “Pravda” issues in an abandoned outhouse and are now running a reprint?

  23. A whiff of grapeshot would sort out the rabble chop-chop. Macco originally got the job by pretending to be a lefty. He then proceeded to earn himself strong disapproval ratings by introducing policies that make economic sense. This latest nonsense is him trying to be the nice guy who follows the red agenda. Kind of like Bush v2 and his insistence that banks be compelled to give housing loans to minorities who couldn’t afford it. It’s not Macco’s fault. His mommy told him to.

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