Ineffective policing brings forth vigilante justice

In March 2017 I wrote a post centred around this remark left by commentator Duffy:

Here’s what many people often seem to forget. Police are there to protect us from criminals. But they are also there to protect the criminals from mob justice.

I referenced cases in Nigeria and Argentina where ordinary people, utterly fed up with the police being unwilling or unable to deal with miscreants, took matters into their own hands and I speculated we’re probably not far off such vigilante justice appearing on the streets of Britain. Then yesterday, via Natalie Solent at Samizdata, I discovered this story:

This shocking footage reveals the moment a gang of vigilantes beat a man in street after he tried to attack people with acid.

The suspect is shown being kicked to the ground outside Maryland train station in East London and battered with a plank of wood before having milk poured over him.

A mob claim to have caught him shortly after he had thrown acid inside a shop after someone refused to hand over some change.

Well, if useless fools like Cressida Dick, Sadiq Khan, and their private army of uniformed enforcers won’t protect the public from such things as acid attacks, sooner or later the public will start protecting themselves:

Footage of the latest incident was filmed by a witness, who shared it on Facebook.

It shows the the alleged acid attacker lying face down in the road outside Maryland railway station in Stratford, surrounded by a group of men.

As he stands up a man kicks him back to the tarmac and somebody in the crowd shouts: ‘Kill him, bro.’

Another man attempts to intervene but the first man continues to kick and stomp him while he is down, making him scream out in pain.

The cameraman warns: ‘Yo, if you bring acid ever again.’

A second man then douses the suspect with what appears to be milk and boots him in the back.

The crowd shouts: ‘Kill him, bruv. P****.’ Somebody then strikes him with a plank of wood.

If this happened in Nigeria the man would be dead, either beaten to a pulp or doused in petrol and set alight. But more importantly, and this was the crux of my previous post, if the police had tried to intervene the crowd would likely have murdered him too. Would the same thing ave happened in London? Probably not but, with recent stories of policemen being mocked and pelted with bottles and stones, I suspect it’s a matter of time before a British policeman intervenes in vigilante justice and meets the same fate as the victim.

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14 thoughts on “Ineffective policing brings forth vigilante justice

  1. Going back to the whole “Peelian Principles of Policing” (I know, I know…), the whole point was that a copper was a member of the local community in uniform with no special powers, simply being paid for doing full time what anyone in the community was in a position to do anyway.

    They weren’t the arbiters of the community, simply the heavy mob paid to deter villains and bring the ones they caught back to the cop shop to be seen next day by the magistrate.

    The problem is that like any bureaucracy, the police wants to ensure its own survival and growth, which is why we now have no “community policing” in the traditional sense, but anyone making allegations against a Z-list celebrity from 50 years ago will be given the royal treatment.

    The disconnect between the community and the police grows wider every year, so the probability of both mob justice and threats against coppers for intervening gets higher every year.

    Just because something doesn’t commonly happen on British streets today, doesn’t mean it won’t in the future.

  2. Acid splashers are scum of the lowest sort .* Throwing acid over an attempt to steal small change SHOULD earn the vile cunt a shit-bashing the scars of which he will carry to his grave with him if–God Forbid–he lives to be 120 years old.

    In truth we are reaching a situation where the Po-Lice now serve as “big brothers” for the scum. That is if you successfully fix the bastards wagon during their criminal attempt Plod turns up to arrest you and/or do everything they can to make you suffer for having dared to defend yourself.

    Perhaps we should start to regard the arrival of Plod as just signalling the start of Round 2. Never call them for any reason and be pre-emptively lawyered up ready.

    I have been trying to find a source of legal insurance for criminal matters out there without success. If anyone knows of any such could you let us know via the comments. Not just for being sued but for Plod/CPS having a go at you.

    * In fairness I have often thought of carrying powdered battery acid or a Jif of formaldehyde instead of the usual coins/sand/pepper as a “metsubishi” to throw as a distractor to give you an edge when striking pre-emptively. Those two should add a tear gas level of discomfort but are very unlikely to do permanent damage. Fortunately I haven’t needed to do that nor would I now given the current furore. A handful of pennies it remains then.

    The other one that is now iffy is using a car against a group of attackers. A car is a good way to turn the tables on a group attack–altho’ more likely to be of use if you are trying to help someone else being attacked. Of course now TPTB would be shrieking terrorism on top of the usual “how-dare-you-defend-yourself/loved ones” shit. Esp if you are attacked by ethnics.

  3. Well, it’s all kicking off in Chemnitz in east germany. Some chap was stabbed yesterday (later died) and a migrant was blamed. Rioting followed and there are demonstrations planned this evening.

  4. That’s not a gang, that’s three people. And it wasn’t much of a curb stomping if he was able to get up and bike away afterwards. And someone did try to intervene. So I don’t think we’re quite to vigilante justice just yet. A couple more incidents like this and I might be convinced.

  5. As John Galt implies, there’s less difference between Peelian principles and vigilantism than people think.

    As plod withdraws from the street, vigilantes will occupy it, obviously. The Grosvenor Estate is going down this road, how long before council estates follow?

  6. Chemnitz would seem to be a different situation. Right wing thugs, emboldened by electoral success want to give a brownie a kicking. Sadly there is a choice of miscreants and said thugs make Mrs Merkel’s dream edge closer and closer to causing death and destruction.

  7. @Mathew May: Merkels dream has already caused death in Chemnitz, the reason for the rioting and vigilante behaviour was the fatal stabbing of a German man (and wounding of 2 more) by several of the ‘surgeons and architects’ Angela invited in from the arse end of Shitistan.

  8. zut alors: ‘As John Galt implies, there’s less difference between Peelian principles and vigilantism than people think.
    I don’t believe John Galt was implying that, but describing the English then British tradition of law enforcement, as described in the 7th Principle of Policing:

    Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

    The ordinary public (implicitly men) were legally bound to stop a crime in progress and to arrest the criminal:

    Any private person, who is present when any felony is committed, is bound by the law to arrest the felon, on pain of fine and imprisonment if he escape through his negligence.

    (See Edward E. Deacon’s A Digest of the Criminal Law of England, Vol.1 (1831), p.49 or A.V. Dicey’s Introduction to the Study of the Law of the Constitution (8th Ed. 1915), p.346)

    This legal duty goes back to at least the Statute of Westminster 1285, which decreed that men would stand watches, and that on a ‘hue and cry’ being raised all men would pursue the felon until arrested. The Riot Act 1414 applied a duty on all men 15 and over to form as posse comitatus (‘power of the county’) when required by the sheriff for the ‘good of the public’.

    That tradition and legal obligation was one of the reasons for our formerly low crime rate, as a criminal had not just to contend with once plentiful beat constables but every adult in the vicinity.

  9. And, Peter, the other problem with vigilante justice is that the amateurs, unconstrained by anything resembling legal process, training or tradition, get it wrong.
    E.g. Bijan Ebrahimi beaten and burned to death in 2013 by neighbours believing him a paedo. Police ‘categorically state’ that he was blameless.
    E.g. Darren Kelly stabbed to death in 2015 by teenage gang claiming they believed him a paedo. No evidence that he was that way inclined, ‘In fact, there is plenty of evidence to suggest precisely the opposite’. The gang walked free.
    (Links to news articles supplied in original version of post but ‘spam protection’ means you’ll have to search for yourself.)

    British society now runs according to prison rules: it’s not about being good or bad, but being either tough enough to beat anyone who crosses you to a pulp or able to call on friends who can help you do that; if you’re SOL on those two counts then you’re a walking target to every thug who wants to make a name for himself. And being innocent will be small comfort when you’re being beaten, stabbed or burned to death.

    See also: ‘The Truth about the Spanish Inquisition’. The Inquisition was actually set up to get control of and reduce the rampant vigilante persecutions of ‘heretics’ (and as with the Salem Witch hysteria, the accused was often someone whose face simply didn’t fit).

    To paraphrase Kinnock’s famous lines:
    In today’s Britain, I warn you not to get old,
    I warn you not to fall ill,
    I warn you not to be a loner,
    I warn you not to be in any least way ‘eccentric’.

  10. Another case hits the headlines:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-45350020

    Looks like our host was pretty much spot on the money – the public have lost any respect for the police, and actively enjoy their downfall.

    Of course there has to be a suspicion that part of the increase in anti-police activity/sentiment may be down to the increase in ‘diversity’ as well………….’bystanders’ in Coventry may well not be called Bill Smith or Steve Jones.

  11. Jim, Coventry City Council announces that as of 2011, ‘the majority (66.6%) of Coventry’s total population is White British’ (two-thirds effectively means we’ve lost Coventry as well—they took a pasting from the Luftwaffe only to be destroyed by immigration); they additionally say ‘that Coventry has a notably higher percentage of black and minor ethnic population (BME) compared to the national average’.
    My only quibble with Tim on this topic: are these stories about normal people treating the police as an enemy occupation force, or are they just Orcs being Orcs?
    (The other possibility with the Coventry story is that it is just today’s social media obsession. There was a funny bit (I’m sure it was from one of ex-LAPD author Joseph Wambaugh’s novels) from pre-internet days when Japanese tourists were famous for being strewn with cameras and snapping everything in sight. A policeman is ‘CUBO’d’ for filing a report describing how a bus full of Japanese tourists was held up and robbed: ‘We’ve no descriptions of the perps but we’ve got about a thousand photographs.’ We could update that joke to a bus full of just about any Westerners: ‘We’ve no descriptions of the crims but we’ve got about a thousand photos and videos and we’re just waiting for them all to be uploaded to their Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.’)

  12. “are these stories about normal people treating the police as an enemy occupation force, or are they just Orcs being Orcs?”

    I think its a bit of both. The people putting the boot in are Orcs, quite often of a diverse nature, from the footage we’ve seen recently. Whats new is that no-one else seems that bothered about it all, certainly to the extent of trying to assist, or even offer moral support after the event. No one’s that concerned about the police getting a good pasting, if not actively supporting the idea.

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