The British government: on the wrong side once again

This is pathetic:

The UK has suspended co-operation with the US over two Islamic State suspects.

Ministers had said they would share intelligence with the US that could lead to the men’s conviction, without opposing a death penalty sentence.

The two men are currently being held by Kurdish forces and the UK believes it cannot legally extradite them to face trial here.

This week it emerged that the US was preparing the ground to prosecute the men itself – and that it had asked the UK for information that would help convict them.

So what’s the problem? The men aren’t in British custody, the UK isn’t looking to try them, nor are they looking to extradite them. They’re simply sharing intelligence with an ally which could help with their prosecution. Now I can understand the British have abolished the death penalty, and I understand Britain doesn’t extradite people to places where they might be executed, but since when has the UK been obliged to withhold information as part of its opposition to capital punishment? If the British government has vital information on an American mass-murderer on trial in Texas, they’re supposed to keep it to themselves because he might be executed for his crimes? What’s the precedent for this, then? Is that the approach we took with Osama bin Laden?

Ah, here we go:

However the mother of one of the men has now launched a legal challenge to prevent such information sharing.

The Home Office has halted co-operation until a judge has had a chance to consider an application for judicial review.

Lawyers for the mother of El Shafee Elsheikh have now prepared detailed grounds challenging Mr Javid’s decision to share information with the US without a death penalty assurance – meaning a case could be before High Court judges in days.

They said the home secretary’s actions revealed “a clear and dramatic departure from the UK’s long standing international and domestic commitment to oppose the continuing exercise of the death penalty.”

If there is one group of people who wield greater influence than protected classes in western countries, it is the families of those protected classes once their son or brother stands accused of murder and other heinous crimes. Every time, you can be sure the government and their chattering-class supporters will bend over backwards to accommodate them. We saw this a few days ago when somebody named Faisal Hussain went on a shooting rampage in Toronto killing two and wounding thirteen, and the media fell over themselves to divine moral authority from the man’s parents, who wasted no time offering up excuses for their son.

Let’s not pretend this lawsuit is based on a principled opposition to the death penalty. It is a professional and coordinated exercise to let the government know that, no matter how heinous the crimes of a person may be, certain protected classes are off-limits for the usual treatment. What is most depressing is this can only work because there are enough ordinary people who, for a variety of reasons ranging from self-hatred to complete idiocy, support such stunts. What is even more depressing is this pathetic excuse for a government appears to be doing exactly what its sworn enemies are telling them to do. Contrast this with the contempt the government displays towards its own citizens, and you wonder, not for the first time, whose side they are on. If they can’t bring themselves to assist with the prosecution of notorious ISIS members because of a campaign launched by a gaggle of people who think they did nothing wrong and shouldn’t be punished, they’re not on my side, that much I do know.

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17 thoughts on “The British government: on the wrong side once again

  1. I am once again saddened by the spineless leadership of the UK. I served 4 years in the Military followed by 13 years in the met. Having served in Bosnia Sierra Leone and taken part in every major riot in London for the last decade, you may understand how upset I was when the government ripped up my contract and extended my service by five years. I left the UK last year and get a little pissed off by tales of the state doing all it can to assist the very enemies I tried to protect the state from. My decision to leave was influenced by the leadership of both the police and the Government. Until they learn to grow a spine and deal with media criticism like an adult, Great Britain will continue on the path to Little Britain.

  2. Our leader is a Fish Faced Cow and brazen EU-sucking traitor who wants more internet control than China and a law to criminalise those–like me–who say nasty things about political scum. Plus 6 years for saying nasty stuff about the RoP.

    What else can be expected?

  3. It seems to me that the crimes were committed in either Syria or Iraq. Hence the individuals should be handed over to the Syrian or Iraqi authorities for them to deal with.
    Nothing to do with us or the US.
    And let the families address their concerns to the Syrians or Iraqis as appropriate.

  4. Perhaps they can attempt an escape….injuries sustained in escape caused the two chaps to cease breathing…hard luck guys and high five to the Kurds, works for me.

  5. Hence the individuals should be handed over to the Syrian or Iraqi authorities for them to deal with.

    Yes. I’m not too sure why the US wants them, other than to pump them for information and, possibly, to prevent them from being executed by the Kurds in a manner which would make the writers of Game of Thrones feel ill.

    And let the families address their concerns to the Syrians or Iraqis as appropriate.

    Quite.

  6. I thought we had custody of them and the whinging was about us handing them over to the USA. I hadn’t realised it was whinging about us sharing information – why is this being given airtime?!

  7. I thought we had custody of them and the whinging was about us handing them over to the USA.

    That’s what I thought, too!

    why is this being given airtime?!

    And that!

  8. I think we should follow the 4th Geneva convention. As forgein figthers in a civil war they can be executed with out trail.and held secretly.

    What the UK should us send them to Syria, who will torture them and execute them.

    Notice no one is returning from Iraq. Thats because they are being hung.

    We need as a country to be grown up. They didn’t wear uniforms, not fighting for a country bang bang time. I blame Bush for this, Gitmo shouldn’t have happened as these people should gave been killed already.

  9. They swore allegiance to Islamic State. UK rescinded their UK citizenship. The time to chalenge this was then, not now.

    Let them get consular assistance from IS re extradition to US by all means, but it’s no concern of ours.

    Refusing to cooperate with US on intelligence is just plain silly. Unless, to put the worst possible interpretation (which I’m sure some will make) some intel shows innocence, e.g. they were coerced into crime, etc. But if you believe that, I’ve got this bridge…

  10. Why are they afraid of them getting executed in the U.S? We haven’t even executed Kalid Sheik Mohammed for god”s sake.

    I’m always completely unable to comprehend why people go to such great lengths to protect these people. What is the psychology of this?

  11. I’m always completely unable to comprehend why people go to such great lengths to protect these people.

    Some people think they did nothing wrong, others hate their own culture so much they undermine it by supporting people like this.

  12. And others take their own comfort and privilege so much for granted that they will ally themselves with an alien culture or ideology simply to get one over their fellow countrymen- on whom their comfort and privilege in fact depends.

  13. “We saw this a few days ago when somebody named Faisal Hussain went on a shooting rampage in Toronto killing two and wounding thirteen, and the media fell over themselves to divine moral authority from the man’s parents, who wasted no time offering up excuses for their son.”

    Curious none of the survivors have been allowed to go on TV as they did for David Hogg et.al.

  14. I would suspect the UK is following orders from the EU.

    Probably, yes: Germany might not want two budding citizens eliminated from the future workforce.

  15. “Germany might not want two budding citizens eliminated from the future workforce.”

    Two budding brain surgeons one assumes……..

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