39 thoughts on “Hindrance it is

  1. I always thought it was retarded any fabric strong enough to not rip would be strong enough to snag.

    Unless I am missing something.

  2. To my mind, the folks on the ground have put together a great plan. It is seriously difficult terrain and the conditions are dreadful. To get as far as they have – 8 kids extracted alive so far- is an immense achievement, way beyond what seemed possible this time last week. Musk’s self-advertising is just a hindrance

  3. I’d love to know what they’re saying in private.

    What’s the Thai for “I really wish he’d shut up and fuck off.”?

  4. Oh yes – a midget submarine to be driven individually by kids through 2 miles of muddy gloom and gaps so narrow that they have to remove their aqualungs and stretches where it’s not flooded and they have to crawl – that is a fucking awesome and brilliant plan. Elon Musk is a god.

  5. As far as I can make out this Musk guy is an idiot who got rich thanks to one lucky investment.

    How has he managed to con people into thinking he is smart?

  6. How has he managed to con people into thinking he is smart?

    It’s what all the best snake oil salesmen do cf. TV Evangelism.

  7. Have to say that I took one look at Elon Musk’s “Steel Coffin” and thought, “How the heck are they going to get that through the narrow bits where the divers can’t even get through wearing their oxygen tanks”.

    Is he a hindrance? Possibly, if the Thais have had to spend time looking at this ludicrous contraption rather than dealing with the practicalities of getting the kids out.

    It seems to me the only reason that Elon Musk did this was publicity seeking and the massaging of his enormous ego.

  8. S
    “As far as I can make out this Musk guy is an idiot who got rich thanks to one lucky investment.”

    He’s a software guy, his work at Paypal made him rich and I believe he had some skill, but the real world is a lot harder to change than software. Most of his other ideas would have been utter failures if he didn’t have so much cash to bankroll the PR. As it is, the clock is ticking on Tesla.

    If anyone thinks he is smart, just point out he married, and divorced, the same woman twice. Then, having made the same mistake twice, started dating Amber Herd after she did a serious number on Johnny Depp. Next thing he’ll pop up dating Asia Argento.

  9. He’s a software guy, his work at Paypal made him rich

    He didn’t work at PayPal, did he? He put up the money. Other people did all the work and then he got rich.

    He doesn’t even have the skill of picking good investment (which is a skill) because every single other investment he has made has been stupid. Tesla is clearly in a race to go bust with Uber.

    He just got lucky, once.

    I mean I don’t begrudge him the money — he got lucky, good for him — but I wish people would stop acting like he’s anything different from somebody who got a lucky dip lottery ticket and won the jackpot

  10. S, I thought he did work there, can’t comment on how pivotal he was to its success.

    Tesla was a good idea when it started, a ‘cool’, high performance electric car. It has completely lost it’s way trying to be a volume producer and in all likelyhood was never viable without masses of government cash. His reputation for creating new tech is wildly misplaced, I believe it’s almost all other companies IP, or stuff that is widely available. He is good at the showman role though.

    Space-X has turned out ok, even if he is, again, mostly claiming credit for ideas and technology that existed already (DC-X etc).

    The Hyperloop though, is nothing but profoundly stupid BS.

  11. “but I wish people would stop acting like he’s anything different from somebody who got a lucky dip lottery ticket and won the jackpot”

    Do agree, his reputation as a ‘Tony Stark ‘(for some) is wildly misplaced. More a cult leader than anything.

  12. Wikipedia (I know) says (currently): ‘In March 1999, Musk co-founded X.com, an online financial services and e-mail payment company, with US$10 million from the sale of Zip2. One year later, the company merged with Confinity, which had a money-transfer service called PayPal.’

    So I read that as he put up the money for one company, and then the thing that actually made him rich, wasn’t even the company he founded, but something they bought in after it had been developed by someone else at a different company (which fits in with exactly what you wrote about taking credit for ‘other companies’ IP’).

    Tesla (unlike Uber, which has no viable business model) could have been a profitable investment (people have made money building cars in the past!) but every single decision Musk has made (trying to start off with a fully-automated production line!) has been (a) disastrously wrong and (b) repeating mistakes that the rest of the industry has already made and moved on from (other car manufacturers tried instant-full-automation in the ’80s, almost went bust, realised the only way to do it is to get it working and then automate it in bits, gradually, integrating the automation piece by piece into a chain that already works).

    In other words, the one and only thing where he was actually in charge rather than just fronting the money, he has destroyed what could have been a perfectly viable business by, basically, being a pigheaded moron.

    And yet somehow he has a reputation for being smart?!?!

  13. Nice to see such a diverse team successfully rescued all of the trapped kids.

    Sorry typo: divers team

  14. If anyone thinks he is smart, just point out he married, and divorced, the same woman twice. Then, having made the same mistake twice, started dating Amber Herd after she did a serious number on Johnny Depp. Next thing he’ll pop up dating Asia Argento.

    Thank you for a good laugh.

  15. I freely admit to being a SpaceX fanboy and am willing to forgive Musk for anything else as long as that works out and leads to us becoming a multi-planetary species. All those criticising Musk as dumb (a holder of degrees in Physics and Economics) or a snakeoil salesman let me ask what have you achived in your life that is comparable to him?

  16. All those criticising Musk as dumb (a holder of degrees in Physics and Economics) or a snakeoil salesman let me ask what have you achived in your life that is comparable to him?

    Um, well, as he hasn’t achieved anything — he made one lucky investment and that’s the sum total of his life’s work — ‘lots’ is the answer.

  17. I make no claims on Elon’s intelligence, but I am not envious of his situation.

    He has clearly overextended himself into a situation where none of his current ventures are viable businesses. Musk *has* to maintain a positive media image at all costs, because the second markets start valuing Tesla as a car company and not as an option on Musk’s brilliance it will immediately go insolvent.

    This guy spends half his time compiling increasingly desperate “media distractions” to be deployed in emergencies. The second anyone writes a negative article about Musk he is releasing a faster Tesla, selling flamethrowers, opening a tent factory, pitching hyperloop, or bringing a useless submarine to Thailand.

  18. Don’t anyone forget the Musk battery that will power Australia for about 5 minutes

  19. ‘he hasn’t achieved anything’ Look up SpaceX and say that again with a straight face.

  20. ‘where none of his current ventures are viable businesses’ Again, look at SpaceX. Doing very well (unlike Tesla, which I worry could go TU and take down Musk and SpaceX with with it)

  21. SpaceX

    He fronted the money for that from his lucky investment. I’d hardly call that an achievement. It’s not like he’s actually building the rockets. Anyone who had been similarly lucky could have done the same.

  22. ‘I’d hardly call that an achievement.’

    Creating the firm isn’t an achievement? So did Henry Ford, Bill Gates etc achieve nothing either?

    ‘It’s not like he’s actually building the rockets.’

    He is Chief Technolgy Officer as well as CEO and is very much involved in the design process.

    ‘Anyone who had been similarly lucky could have done the same.’

    Any yet all the other wannabe rocket entrepreneur firms of the past 20 years (Beal, Kistler, Rotary, Pioneer, Kelly. Armadillo, XCOR to name but a few) all ended up bankrupt. Branson’s firm is looking unlikly to suceed, the only other person who close to matching SpaceX is Jeff Bezos with his Blue Origin (who I also wish well)

    You don’t have seem a clue what you are talking about.

  23. Bill Gates actually wrote MS-DOS.

    He is Chief Technolgy Officer as well as CEO and is very much involved in the design process.

    Yes, I’m sure if you put up that amount of cash you can give yourself whatever vanity title you like. Changes nothing.

  24. @Ryan – He has clearly overextended himself into a situation where none of his current ventures are viable businesses. Musk *has* to maintain a positive media image at all costs, because the second markets start valuing Tesla as a car company and not as an option on Musk’s brilliance it will immediately go insolvent.

    Well said. I feel like Musk is the Wizard of Oz and Toto is going to pull the curtain back any minute now.

  25. “Bill Gates actually wrote MS-DOS.”

    Oh dear.

    Completely O/T, but that ClinicCompare banner ad up top is absolutely brilliant. The beams shooting out of the fella’s eyes… awesome piece of work.

  26. I suspect not much of a hindrance: the Thai team would surely have set up a “Special Projects” team to act as the public face to the time-wasters and attention seekers, leaving the real team unbothered.
    And what a fine job they have done.

    NB Bill Gates didn’t write MSDOS. His mate Paul did that, Bill just sold it. And to be fair, he’s clever enough to keep selling people the same product over and over again. Design flaws in a product are normally regarded as faulty goods, unfit for sale etc. Somehow he has managd to build a business around selling you faulty goods, then selling it to you again in the hope it will be better. And again, And again. You have to admire the guy, there are few that could do this and stay out of jail. Which loops back to OT.

  27. NB Bill Gates didn’t write MSDOS. His mate Paul did that, Bill just sold it. And to be fair, he’s clever enough to keep selling people the same product over and over again.

    I hate when laymen try to act like they understand computers.

  28. “Any yet all the other wannabe rocket entrepreneur firms of the past 20 years (Beal, Kistler, Rotary, Pioneer, Kelly. Armadillo, XCOR to name but a few) all ended up bankrupt.”

    RocketLab seem to be heading in a good direction, with a shoestring budget compared to Musk. Just note that Musk did a wonderful job getting Space- off the ground and getting very serious government support for it. Having far more money than all those others was part of it of course.

    Space-X is perhaps most notable by not really doing too much new technology, they just hoovered up a lot of existing tech and made a fairly standard rocket.

  29. Graeme
    “Don’t anyone forget the Musk battery that will power Australia for about 5 minutes”

    Don’t exaggerate it will allow most of Adelaide to make a single cup of tea per household.

    SpaceX could be a disaster for all we now the financials are all secret but, there is no new technology.

    RockertLab is a new type of engine, except for the fact its built by kiwi’s so won’t fly it could be a goer.

  30. Bill Gates didn’t write MSDOS

    Well, obviously not the whole thing. No one person could do that. But he did contributed to it, is the point. He could actually do something, unlike Musk, who just puts up the money and then takes the credit.

  31. MS-DOS was bought by Bill Gates, not written by him. Based on CP/M from Digital.

    The thing about Gates is that – fairly uniquely – he understands that the founding reason why he is where he is is that he was unbelievably lucky to get a break from IBM. IBM wanted an OS, they went to Gary Kildall after first asking Gates where Kildall was. Kildall wouldn’t sign the IBM NDA as it was so one-sided; IBM went back to Gates and he signed.

    His paranoia is rooted in the knowledge that he’s there by luck rather than – as with so many others – being deluded about being brilliant.

  32. His paranoia is rooted in the knowledge that he’s there by luck rather than – as with so many others – being deluded about being brilliant

    Yes, but — and this is the point I was making — while he may not be brilliant (he’s no Dijkstra or Wirth or even Larry Paulson), he is (or at least was, by all accounts) a competent programmer.

    Unlike Musk, who is not a competent anything (except perhaps self-publicist), yet somehow people talk about him as if he’s Maurice Wilkes.

  33. CP/M from “Digital Research”.
    “Digital” was a whole different company whose Vax-worshippers still rue their fall.
    Nice analysis on Gates though. He made the best of a lucky break.

  34. Basically Musk’s fanboys talk about him like he’s Thomas Edison or Isambard Kingdom Brunel, when what he actually is at best is Andrew Carnegie.

    Well, except, Andrew Carnegie actually did something useful with his money by building libraries.

    Musk fires cars into space.

    Wanker.

  35. Whne it comes to Mr Musk, Steve Wozniak got it right when he said

    “Now, I don’t believe anything Elon Musk or Tesla says,”

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he was one of those kind on CIA types, came from nowhere, a huge warmist, had sex with Obama kind of dude.

    Coincidentally I spent the last few days in Hong Kong and noted that the hotel limousine fleet was dominated by Teslas.

  36. What Tesla managed to do — which has kept them afloat — is produce a status-car for virtue-signalling celebrities what looks much better than a Toyota Prius (the previous car-of-choice to prove you care).

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