Minorities and Trump

Via the comments at David Thompson’s place, I bring you this televised discussion from Australia’s ABC featuring our favourite Laurie Penny. Naturally, she kicks things off by pandering to whatever oppressed minorities she thinks are within earshot…

I’d like to start by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land we’re meeting on. I’m really hoping I’m going to say this right! The Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation, and pay my respect to their elders past, present and future.

…before addressing the global issues of the day by talking mostly about herself. So far, so Laurie, but this isn’t really what I want to write about.

What’s more interesting is this statement made by one of the other panelists by the name of Amani Al-Khatahtbeh, an American who is the founder and editor of MuslimGirl, an online magazine for Muslim women:

I think the problem is that people are voting for Trump in the first place. You know, I think THAT’S the problem that we have to address here, not the way that we choose to respond to that. If anything, we should make it so that there’s zero tolerance for those kind of attitudes to exist within our society. There’s no room for that type of intolerance. I mean, look at what happened, right? We started giving Trump air time in the media and giving him an opportunity to present his racist ideologies as a position on a policy platform.

It resulted in him actually getting elected. And now it resulted in white supremacist rallies in the streets, Neo-Nazis going like this again. You know, we really just regressed several generations backward. All this hard work for us to get to this point to make it unacceptable to be racist? Now it’s out in the open again.

Naturally, nobody challenged her on this, with the host preferring to lob soft questions at the panelists, who were all in agreement with one another.

Leaving aside the childish, cartoonish portrayal of Trump, his campaign, and his supporters that contributed to his being elected in the first place, Al-Khatahtbeh is saying that nobody who disagrees with her should be allowed to run for office and present their policies. Sure, it’s dressed up as anti-racism but the definition of racism is now so broad it basically means anyone who isn’t a Democrat or acting like one.

With the election of Obama, the political classes and their lackeys thought the battle was won and their politics would prevail forever. They believed they’d silenced any opposing voices and they had the run of the place. Some may even have equated the silence for satisfaction, but most would be content just to keep the other side silent. As I have said many times, Trump’s election was a warning shot across the bows of the political class that there is no such consensus on the future of American politics and they’d better start listening to people. Having thought the other side had surrendered and laid down their arms, Trump’s election has shaken the likes of Al-Khatahtbeh to the core. This is why they’re lashing out with unhinged statements like the one above.

As I am fond of saying, Trump is a symptom, not a cause. And as I have argued recently, Americans are rather fortunate that the symptom came in the form of an elderly billionaire whose worst habit is shooting his mouth off. It could have been very much worse. What Al-Khatahtbeh and her ilk don’t realise is that it was precisely the shutting down of rational political discourse and putting topics such as immigration and Islam out of bounds for debate that prompted millions to vote for Trump. He said things that no-one else would, and it propelled him into the White House. If the political classes and lackeys like Al-Khatahtbeh succeed in their efforts to silence Americans, they will likely respond by voting in an absolute bastard who will ensure their side prevails in future – using exactly the same methods and laws that Al-Khatahtbeh’s lot used on them.

I’m not about to compare Donald Trump with Turkey’s Recep Erdoğan, but I still think it’s worth seeing how the latter came to power. Put simply, he had the numbers. While the Metropolitan chattering classes dismissed his supporters as uneducated peasants or religious fanatics, he slowly built a movement which catapulted him to almost unlimited power. His arguments didn’t need to be good, because he positioned himself as a man of the people, a leader of those who the elites had ignored and silenced for decades. Sure he preyed on ignorance, but which politician doesn’t? Clinton? Obama? Puh-lease.

Erdoğan’s biggest weapon was the establishment itself: they had neglected millions of rural-dwellers, they were dismissive of their concerns, and they did seem to be running things to benefit themselves in a way which could be argued (and was argued) was contradictory to the character and beliefs of the Turkish people. They also used the judiciary for political purposes: how do you think those suspected of Communist leanings fared in Turkey during the Cold War? It makes it an awful lot easier for the new guy to chuck his opponents in jail if his predecessors have been doing the same thing for years. It becomes a matter of degree, not form.

Again, I’m not endorsing Erdoğan’s policies or comparing him to Trump, I’m merely pointing out how he rose to power, i.e. by pointing to the failings of the established order, using their own techniques against them, and – crucially – having the numbers on his side. Anyone who doesn’t think a nasty bastard could take a similar route to power in the USA is woefully complacent, and people like Al-Khatahtbeh are borderline delusional. From Wikipedia:

Islam is the third largest faith in the United States, after Christianity and Judaism, representing 0.9% of the population.

That’s a rounding error. If I held such a minority status somewhere, I’m not sure I’d be on national television saying the majority should be banned from speaking their minds. I have an uncomfortable feeling that historians may come to view Trump as one of the most benign presidents of the 21st century. As I said, they’re lucky it’s him.

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8 thoughts on “Minorities and Trump

  1. My wife was watching that show as I done my slow burn exercise and I seen both of those sheilas, it’s a well-known forum for the serial complainants and victimhood seekers but that particular episode, what a disgrace. Firstly, you can kind of understand an aboriginal person doing the traditional owner bit even though there are problems with that, as in the Dreamtime no one owns the land but that is another story and everyone knows that Eddie Obeid is the traditional owner. But for a pommy white communist doing the same, from the nation that brought us land ownership via the Torrens Title system, a system that I subscribe to and the majority of everyone in that studio also does is beyond the pale. My spittoon was full within the first 15 seconds of hearing her.

    The other falsification that is being bandied around far too much since Charlottesville and was also laid on thick in that show is that Nazis were racist. First up, Nazi is a derogatory term for National Socialism so you can fucking stop that right now if you are into niceties, then realise that celebrating race is a good thing, unlike what this Bolshy term of racism is, which is all about abolishing race and the good things about race and reducing us all to some generic proletariat. This was never a goal of national socialism quite the opposite.

    “What is history but a fable agreed upon?”

    It’s like the Jessie Owens bollocks that Hitler and the Germans frowned upon him, they didn’t, both he and they cheered him on, which he confirmed many times including in his autobiography. It was FDR that snubbed him plus he really got it on returning to the US from the games when he disembarked from the boat to be told Negroes to the right. You only need to listen to Muhammad Ali to understand what multiculturalism and real racism is and it is the opposite of what these maggots are preaching.

    I honestly think we are getting close now to the fuckers taking off the velvet gloves and lining us up, seriously.

    I also got this in my email from our company lawyers today. I know that I have a pretty tough EBA in my workplace, one that Maggie would be proud of, but fuck me dead they are serious about this. Not long now before something gives.

    “The construction and real estate development industry is one of the sectors most vulnerable to modern day slavery. The risk arises both in the operations of businesses in this sector and in their supply chains. Despite the high risk of modern slavery in this sector, statistics reflect a low level of awareness of the issue.

    “The Australian Government has announced that it intends to enact Australian Modern Slavery Act requiring large businesses operating in Australia to report annually in relation to how they seek to manage modern slavery risk globally.”

  2. The leftish political/media/cultural class thought they had won forever, with just a bit of mopping up to do, because they only really listened to themselves. They had driven out of public life, or brow-beaten into silence, anyone fairly mainstream who disagreed with them about anything substantive as a word out of place could destroy a career and everyone knew it. That left only people they could smear as extremists and easily dismiss.
    Anyone inside or outside who had any “wrongthink” was isolated and thought that they were alone or were vile for thinking that way.
    Then came the internet.
    Suddenly the wrongthinkers knew they weren’t alone.
    Suddenly the media couldn’t completely bury or distort inconvenient news in the way they had before.
    Suddenly commentators (not least Laura Penny) couldn’t get away with the fact-distortion because far more learned people below the line would show them up where all the world could see.
    Once upon a time writers in the media could spout any old nonsense and the average reader would either believe it, because they weren’t exposed to an alternative view, fume to themselves or the person sitting next to them or, only rarely, write to the outlet where it would be ignored as the outpourings of a rare nutter.
    I genuinely think that many in the media were badly shaken when they realised how much they were distrusted and despised by so many people. Even worse was the way in which comments below the line could dismantle their cherished beliefs so easily and transparently.
    Writers had been so used to pulling together a handful of illustrative anecdotes (in a world of billions you can “prove” anything this way) and adding a bit of boilerplate correct-think before proclaiming the truth to the adoring masses. Their fantasies were easily shattered by people who could pull together a few basic facts and figures or merely provide a link to another piece which exposed the distortions.
    That’s why there is such a concerted and dangerous campaign to shut down “hate speak” (like “fascism”, “racism”, “sexism” etc a weapon that has been so over-used and diluted as to become almost meaningless).
    They are trying to put the genii back in the bottle, but as long as they have virtual monopolies like Facebook, Twitter and Google on their side they may at least be able to hide the genii from those among the masses who aren’t going to go out of their way to find it.

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  4. First, I would have thought the biggest religious group in the States is probably atheism. Yes, it’s a belief and while it lack formal prayers, the biggest prayer is “let it be clear there is no God.” Next to atheism you might place Marxism above Christianity, certainly as far as actual practicing goes. A lot of people will in the west say they are ‘Christian’ when asked but essentially they don’t practice it.

    So, we might put Christianity third (though without seeing numbers, if all the Mexicans are catholic they might bump Christianity up a bit) But however you cut it that put Islam even further down the list.

    As for Erdoğan and Trump, here’s news the west can use: if you give everyone the vote and they use it, they will vote for what they think is best. The answer, for minorities who dislike the idea, is to narrow the voting base. I expect when Islam finally gets the grip it seeks, the voting base will be reduced.

    I do not know if Trump is good or bad for America. As I often say, I am not a US citizen so I was not asked to vote. Privately I think he will shake things up because he is approaching all this presidency malarkey from a different angle. The problem will always be that after so many years of people like Obama and Clinton and a system that moves with the speed of frozen treacle, there is too much inertia to overcome.

    I heard the other day that the mighty Zuckerberg is being touted as the Dem candidate in 2020, which given his hold over fecesbook will give him an edge. But the Dems would never had a ‘business man’ going for president if Trump hadn’t got in first to show there was a market; they would have preferred a dyed-in-wool crone like Shrillary or some knock-off Obumble race-baiter and rabble-rouser. They may still get it, but at least Trump has shown that the voting system did what it was intended and allowed the majority to have their say.

    But it really pisses the left off, this democracy thing.

  5. “The problem will always be that after so many years of people like Obama and Clinton and a system that moves with the speed of frozen treacle, there is too much inertia to overcome.”

    Yes, this is the problem, it would take you at least ten years to arrest its growth, then the real David and Goliath battle would only just be starting. They have been planning this for a very long time, they have converted the majority, they are winning and it might now be too late for us, I don’t think its a left or US thing though, its an us and them thing. This is why I think they may decide to now go for the world government that they have been patiently planning for in the near term.

  6. Laurie Pennie doesn’t believe most of what she says and writes; it’s a form of lying and exaggeration that is rewarded by more attention. She gets a dopamine hit from it each time.

    I suspect there’s a 75% probability that she’ll get up the duff and settle in wth a fellah within the next 5 to 7 years and then switch to writing sci-fi novels with female lead characters.

    Conversely, I suspect Owen Jones believes everything he says and writes and will therefore have a nervous breakdown or commit suicide when the logical contradictions overwhelm him.

  7. Laurie Pennie doesn’t believe most of what she says and writes; it’s a form of lying and exaggeration that is rewarded by more attention. She gets a dopamine hit from it each time.

    As somebody said at David Thompson’s:

    I suspect Laurie is a bit like a priest who joined up full of youthful fervour, and is now trapped. She can’t afford to lose her faith because it’s her livelihood and she doesn’t know how to do anything else.

    I suspect there’s a 75% probability that she’ll get up the duff and settle in wth a fellah within the next 5 to 7 years and then switch to writing sci-fi novels with female lead characters.

    Yup.

  8. “I suspect Laurie is a bit like a priest who joined up full of youthful fervour, and is now trapped. She can’t afford to lose her faith because it’s her livelihood and she doesn’t know how to do anything else.”

    Yes Minister. “The Bishops Gambit” 1986.

    “James Hacker: Humphrey, what’s a Modernist in the Church of England?

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Ah, well, the word “Modernist” is code for non-believer.

    James Hacker: You mean an atheist?

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: No, Prime Minister. An atheist clergyman couldn’t continue to draw his stipend. So, when they stop believing in God, they call themselves “Modernists”.

    James Hacker: How could the Church of England suggest an atheist as Bishop of Bury St Edmunds?

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well, very easily. The Church of England is primarily a social organization, not a religious one.

    James Hacker: Is it?

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Oh yes. It’s part of the rich social fabric of this country. So bishops need to be the sorts of chaps who speak properly and know which knife and fork to use. The sort of people one can look up to.”

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