At last, some proper information

Now this is more like it:

Two Russian nationals have been named as suspects in the attempted murder of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

The men, using the names Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, are thought to be officers from Russia’s military intelligence service, the PM said.

The Metropolitan Police said the two men arrived at Gatwick Airport from Moscow on 2 March and stayed at the City Stay Hotel in Bow Road, east London.

On 4 March they travelled to Salisbury – having also visited for reconnaissance the previous day – where Mr Skripal’s front door was contaminated with Novichok.

Officers believe a modified perfume bottle was used to spray the door.

The pair flew from Heathrow to Moscow later that night.

See, this is what was missing during the outrage 6 months ago: evidence. Instead, we had the PM telling everyone it was most definitely Russia behind the attack, based on “intelligence information” and the fact the substance was created in the USSR and a Russian lab the most likely source. Now we have two named individuals and their movements, the British government position looks a lot more credible. However, it’s come rather too late. Here’s the explanation why:

The BBC’s security correspondent Gordon Corera said he understood the authorities identified the pair “a while back” and “may also know their real names” and had hoped by not making this information public, they could intercept them should they continue to travel.

I don’t buy this. The Russians might have bungled this hit, but I doubt they let their assassins wander around the world willy-nilly in the immediate aftermath. I suspect it’s more likely they were told to sit tight in Moscow for at least a year. I’m more inclined the reason this is being released now is because they’ve only just worked all this out, and didn’t have half this information back in March. This is interesting though:

Police said Ms Sturgess and Mr Rowley were later exposed to Novichok after handling a contaminated container, labelled as Nina Ricci Premier Jour perfume.

Mr Rowley told police he found the box containing the small bottle and an applicator – all found to be counterfeit – in a charity bin.

He tried to put the two parts together and got some of the contents on himself. His partner Ms Sturgess applied some of the contents to her wrists and became unwell.

Again, this sort of information – how, where, and when – is important when establishing credibility. Thus far, this is the first time the public has been told anything other than “trust us”.

Speaking in the Commons, Prime Minister Theresa May said the government had concluded, from intelligence provided by UK agencies, that the men were part of the GRU intelligence service.

The poisoning was “not a rogue operation” and was “almost certainly” approved at a senior level of the Russian state, she said.

Sorry, but Theresa May has no way of knowing this. If anyone claims to know the intricate workings of the Russian state, including the degree with which government bodies wander off the reservation, they’re either lying or they subscribe to the all-seeing all-knowing Putin fallacy. The biggest problem I have with Putin ordering this attack is I don’t see any upside for him; yes, I’ve heard all the reasons multiple times, and I find none of them convincing. I’m also skeptical that when the Russian government gets its top assassins to knock someone off, they bungle it. There’s probably a lot more to this story than anyone outside of Russia knows, but I guess it doesn’t matter now.

He said there was little expectation that the pair would end up in a British court, but releasing the evidence would instead add pressure with the intention of “deterring Russia from doing something similar again”.

Oh yes, because the Russians are big on shame, it features large in their culture. For example:

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s foreign policy adviser Yuri Ushakov told reporters the names of the Russian suspects “do not mean anything to me”.

He seems rattled.

The CPS is not applying to Russia for the extradition of the two men, as Russia does not extradite its own nationals.

Indeed, it’s in the constitution. Funny how Russia occasionally looks after its citizens rather better than free, enlightened nations like the UK.

The UK will meet the UN security council to discuss the case on Thursday.

Mrs May also said Britain would push for the EU to agree new sanctions against Russia.

But BBC diplomatic correspondent James Landale said many European countries would be “reluctant to tighten the screw on Russia”, fearing a loss of trade and energy.

Well indeed. Germany, for instance, has spent years sucking up to Russia and currently believe it is in their interests to side with Vladimir Putin over Donald Trump. Perhaps the real motivation behind Putin ordering a brazen Novichok attack was to see who would come to Britain’s aid, and who Germany and the EU would back. If so, it worked a charm.


79 thoughts on “At last, some proper information

  1. “We are also expected to believe that the mini-skip in which the poison was found had gone un-emptied for a month and a half? And that, the poison was close enough to the top of the contents to be easily recovered?”

    Not a month and half, nearly 4 months. The bin was a charity shop donations bin, not a rubbish bin, and Charlie Rowley has stated he found the perfume package on the 27th June (ie only a few days before he and Dawn Sturgess were exposed to the chemical). So one has to believe that after the ‘Russians’ dosed the Skripal doorknob they then dropped an unopened package of the same chemical into this donations bin (which is a good distance in exactly the opposite direction to the station where they needed to be to get out of town sharpish) where it stayed for 4 months, no-one from the charity shop bothering to check the bin or empty it.

  2. Jim

    “Are we really to think that the Russian authorities are so blase about human life”

    Welcome to our planet, Jim. You may want to find out how “Russian authorities” became such. Blown-up buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk, the failed attempt to do so in Ryazan. Followed by mass murder of hostages in a theater (Nord-Ost), mass murder of child hostages at school (Beslan), etc. The answer to your question is a resounding “Yes!”. Have a look around, Jim, it’s not quite what you read in the tourist guide.

  3. Ivan–so Nord-Ost and Beslan were put up jobs?

    The blown-up buildings in Moscow perhaps but the above? All done to shape public opinion? The murder of shedloads of Russian kids by Russians to create a climate of public opinion–does Putin care about opinion that much since he is such a dictator?–for a war that achieved what exactly? Consolidating Putin’s power? He could have done that without needing to massacre kids. Nor should he have allowed our dear friends in RoP to be getting their own way. And the brutal legacy of Russian socialism is a big part of the whole mess as well. Once that poison has degraded the humanity within a nation all bets are off as far as good behaviour goes.

    Putting recent events in Russia as ALL Putin’s dirty work is nonsense. Should he have allowed the country to have a chunk ripped off by separatists –like the US did not in 1861? A nasty war was near inevitable whoever was in charge. Unless you find RoP fanatics inclined to reason.

  4. One of the problems with this is a lot of us would prefer to believe the Russians, rather than our own people. Putin & the FSB are merely adversaries. The UK police, security services, it’s government & government agencies are our acknowledged enemies.
    Who would you trust?

  5. “I assume even Russia makes you put your liquids in a little plastic bags for hand luggage, unless the airport security were in on this as well – seems unnecessarily risky.”

    Minor point here – this was a tiny sample bottle, 5 mL I think. If they weren’t nodded through (which is most likely) the chances of it even being seen are not high. For long-haul flights I pack a little “comfort bag” which includes a 20 mL mouthwash. I’ve been able to get that through unnoticed so frequently (or it’s noticed and the screen operator does a reality check that it ain’t gonna blow anything up) I no longer bother to open the bag.

  6. How many other hotel rooms, in the Bow and other similar places, did they swab and get negatives, for Novichok? Or is the detection so sensitive you will get a positive almost anywhere, e.g on routine roach powder and other commercial insecticides?

    If GRU offical operation as claimed, why was the ‘hit’ itself so amateurish? Smeared on a door handle FFS! In daylight, in the blissful hope the target would go out before someone else used the door, or it rained off (in March!)
    Did they know the restaurant booking? But even so, a very hit or miss affair, they didn’t even wait to see if their efforts had any effect before returning to London. No warranty on the hit presumably?

    Why was the “military grade nerve agent” so astoundingly non-toxic, that of the 5 people exposed, only one was killed ,and that by massive self administering?

    What connection is there between the door handle application and the perfume spray found in good condition 4 months later? Again, in an English spring!!! It would be sodden in a few days. It must have been inside, under cover, the story of it being found in a skip stinks, and not of perfume.

    Actually, this latest story reminds me of a bit in Forsyth’s “The Fourth Protocol”, when the KGB head discovers a dodgy operation he doesn’t approve of and sends a few incompetent minions on a pointless mission to draw a big trail straight to the real villain, so obvious even MI5 couldn’t miss it.

    Anyone would think the UK government needs something to distract attention at the moment, I wonder what from.

  7. “Why was the “military grade nerve agent” so astoundingly non-toxic, that of the 5 people exposed, only one was killed ,and that by massive self administering?”

    This is the bit I find hard to see. It seems such an inept way to fail to kill someone, while leaving a direct trail to Russia.

  8. Jim;

    “As the authorities obviously do have lots of high quality CCTV footage of Salisbury city centre, they must have pretty much all the Skripals movements on camera, certainly once they got out of their car in the Sainsburys carpark. Why do we not get to see that? Couldn’t possibly be something that doesn’t fit the narrative in it could it?”

    The UK might well be the most heavily surveilled society on earth, by number of cameras, but that doesn’t really mean very much. The main reason being the bulk of cameras are privately owned and operated by private entities, shops and bars and what have you. Those cameras will be trained on high risk areas; tills, stock and the exits – to catch staff pilfering, theft, and depending on the class of the establishment, assaults and violence. They won’t be positioned to capture video of a bunch of random nerks walking down the street. Firstly because that activity is irrelevant to the owner’s requirement, and second, because the law requires you to plaster warning signs everywhere if the camera siting does capture a decent chunk of the public highway or your neighbours, and positioning a camera to monitor only the street is illegal, without the necessary permissions, which are a right bastard to get for private individuals or businesses without a bloody good reason. If you do it, and get caught, the potential downside is beyond slightly painful.

    Several other things; outside of regulated industries, data retention will be a for a handful of days or weeks; the attack on a Skripals was six months ago. There’s no guarantee that any particular camera was actually working, assuming it’s not a dummy installed for deterrence in the first place (I once had a car radio nicked while at work – I was amazed that the BTP actually turned up at all – admittedly two weeks later, and the bloke was based 80 miles away – but it turned that none of the eight/ten cameras in the station car park and actually been working for a couple of months, and there was some debate as to whether they had ever worked at all). The footage might be useless – doing the install on the cheap, with kit out of Maplin’s (RIP), will almost certainly mean you’ll be watching the geezer’s bald spot and not much else. Most of the installed base is going to be old gear – it’s still not unusual to see small businesses using VHS or digital tapes. Timestamps might well be unreliable, even ignoring clock drift. The installer will probably set the system clock properly; the odds of the owner/tenant remembering to do so after a power interruption are low.

  9. @Tim the Coder
    You’re making a common mistake about “technical evidence”. Analysis reports relate to samples tested at a laboratory. They say nothing whatsoever about the provenance of the samples tested. Where & under what circumstances the evidence was obtained. So the validity of a technical analysis is a totally separate matter from the evidence trail it’s attached to.

  10. And while I think of it;

    Even given wot I just wrote, there does remain the strong possibility that there is other significant footage that is not being released for at least one bloody good reason; that our two nerks have unwittingly exposed some other GRU/FSB agent or operative who is either already known to SIS (which would be reasonable evidence in itself that they are GRU) or previously unknown to SIS, or known to be allied to some other TLA entirely. Such footage is probably being cross-checked and investigated, saved for later, or distributed to other interested parties – probably just Five Eyes, but could it be anybody. Either way, it’s not going to be released into the public domain.

  11. BiS
    Not really, I am well aware the sample tested may have been planted, but that goes down a conspiracy theory which I dont want to advocate unnecessarily.

    I was simply wondering about the cock-up theory: since nerve agents and insecticides are basically similar (and Novichok was developed specifically to use insecticide precursors), I was wondering if the claimed detection of ‘Novichok’ in the hotel is simply a false positive from copious roach powder or similar. When you can detect X at parts per trillion, you can generally detect X in anything and everything, it’s all a matter of dose. So how many ‘innocent’ rooms did they test and NOT find this positive result?
    The positive finding, if valid and genuine, atleast links the Two Stooges to the attack, although they may indeed be window dressing. But if the positive is false, because you can get a positive anywhere, then what connection is there? Apart from sounding a bit russian?

    NB Over on Craig Murray’s site he points out the Two Stooges arrived in Salisbury such that they couldn’t have contaminated the doorknob before noon. Yet despite copious CCTV of the Skripals leaving home early, there is no coverage at all of them visiting the house after noon and before going to lunch and subsequently keeling over. Strange. Almost as if they never touched the doorknob.

  12. Tim, I think the authorities are well aware of the value of negative controls. Your average bloke in the street however doesn’t have a clue what that means, so talking about it will just add to the confusion, and give additional fuel to the kremlinbots.

    Of course the information we are getting is incomplete. Some for the reasons already given, some so as to not prejudice the unlikely event of a trial, some because there will be reams of technical guff that no one cares about. This is about storytelling, not a formal report. For the details, you can read all about it in 30 or 50 or however many years time.

  13. @Ducky McDuckface: Salisbury has a system of council owned CCTV throughout the city centre, which they have confirmed was working fully on the day in question. It is known to be of good quality, see the pictures of the Russian pair. Also the parents of the children who fed ducks with the Skripals were shown high quality stills or footage of that occurring, in order for them to identify their children, so that footage exists, yet has never been released. Indeed none has, beyond a short clip of a couple walking past the gym close to where the Skripals were found. As for private CCTV, the police can get anything they need from private individuals, most would happily give them any footage they request, and I’m sure a warrant would be issued if anyone refused. As for it all being out of date by now, the police were on this case within hours of the pair getting taken to hospital (which in itself is one of the odd things about the whole thing, no-one knew it wasn’t drugs for a day or two, yet the police were all over it like glue from the very start) the first thing the police will have done is get every single bit of footage they could from every camera in the city. They’ll have thousands of hours of the stuff, which will include the Skripals movements around Salisbury city centre for sure.

    So why is it all being kept under wraps? What are they hiding?

  14. Mr Ecks,

    I just listed the most well-known examples to illustrate Jim’s outrageously ridiculous suggestion that concern for human lives might somehow factor into kremlinoid operations.

  15. bloke in spain on September 7, 2018 at 11:24 am said:

    “…The UK police, security services, it’s government & government agencies are our acknowledged enemies…”


    Why would I take the word of those who hate and steal from me?

  16. It is all cockrot. It is blatantly a global elite Jewish conspiracy to distract the sheeple from the reptilian takeover that happened at exactly the same time, with our new overlords morphing into the forms of Putin, Trump, the Queen, and the rest of us, to institute a one-world government via the illuminati using global warming beacons mounted on masonic lodges to control our minds.

    Outspoken journalists researching this matter have been repeatedly silenced by libel lawsuits. This was all predicted in the secret volumes of the dead sea scrolls.

    The only sane thing to do is clear: stockpile at least six months of rations and buy a big gun to protect yourself from rampaging hordes of rapefugees.

  17. And the best part of Skripal saga is that now Russian anti Putinists living outside Russia are are outlaws.

    Because every last murder is blamed to Putin, the all other people , angry lovers, debtors, business partners and all other angry people can go after anti Putin Russians and get away with murder …..:D

  18. @Juri

    That’s a reasonable point, in that there have been deaths of Russians or Russian-linked individuals in the UK where suicide, non-state murder or state assassination are all considered murky possibilities, but the possibility of non-state murder is going to be investigated still bearing in mind the dodgy company kept by many UK-based Russian exiles and “businesspeople”. To make the evidence appear solid that it is a Russian state-backed operation and hence pass the blame elsewhere is quite difficult – you would have to use some capacity or resources that seem available only to state actors. Merely reenacting a certain professionalism of killing probably isn’t enough bearing in mind the number of ex-TLA thugs-for-hire who will switch to doing more commercial operations at the end of their government employment. Now using a banned chemical agent probably is a good way to get the blame passed to the state, but also a huge amount of work and risk (because if you use a chemical agent you have obtained by theft or corruption from Russian authorities and billions of dollars of sanctions have bitten, other wings of the Russian state are going to come after you) so it would only make sense on a high-value target. The Skripals do not seem likely to have been high-value targets to mere gangsters like that.

  19. Jim;

    “Salisbury has a system of council owned CCTV throughout the city centre, which they have confirmed was working fully on the day in question.” To which the blindingly obvious, indeed, almost traditional, response is “They would say that, wouldn’t they?”, even if it is trite.

    “It is known to be of good quality”. I should bloody coco. And it’s in bloody Salisbury*

    “Also the parents of the children who fed ducks with the Skripals were shown high quality stills or footage of that occurring, in order for them to identify their children, so that footage exists, yet has never been released. “

    Why? Why release it? What does it add?

    “As for private CCTV, the police can get anything they need from private individuals, most would happily give them any footage they request, and I’m sure a warrant would be issued if anyone refused.”

    Yes, and, well, ha, no. Individuals, quite probably (although this is dependent on the level of trust Plod enjoys – one of Tim’s other themes) and difficult sods can be found everywhere. Other entities are going to be slightly more interesting and a warrant is itself no guarantee of the quality or usefulness of the footage eventually received.

    “the police were on this case within hours of the pair getting taken to hospital (which in itself is one of the odd things about the whole thing, no-one knew it wasn’t drugs for a day or two, yet the police were all over it like glue from the very start)”

    Not unusual at all. Personally, I’m willing to bet that most druggies aren’t discovered suffering from possible overdoses in public places in broad daylight, well away from their usual haunts. Also, that the Skripals didn’t obviously fit the usual profile. And also, that once examined in hospital, the symptoms presented didn’t quite fit. And that the PC who initially responded began to develop the same symptoms. Bet that doesn’t happen at all.

    Even so, this still ignores the fact that dear old Sergei was an ex-Russian GRU Colonel who had been arrested, tried and convicted of high treason. He was in the UK as the result of a spy swap in 2010. Are you imagining that he would not already be known to senior plod in the area, and that once identified, that some very loud alarm bells would not have gone off? From Christopher Andrews’ “The Defence of The Realm” Ch. 1, “During the summer of 1910 he [Kell] made personal contact with thirty-three English and seven Scottish chief constables, all of whom ‘expressed themselves most willing to assist me in every way’. The Aliens Sub-Committee of the Committee of Imperial Defence (founded March 1910), chaired by Churchill, approved the preparation by Kell of a secret register of aliens from probable enemy powers (chiefly Germany) based on information supplied by local police forces.”

    “the first thing the police will have done is get every single bit of footage they could from every camera in the city.”

    No. The investigation is going to be focused on the victims and flow outwards around them. Unless Sergei got a knee trembler against the bins behind the bogs at the back of the rugby club nobody is going to pull the footage.

    “So why is it all being kept under wraps? What are they hiding?”

    Why would you release thousands of hours of CCTV footage from every camera in city if it’s not relevant? What would it add? Any duties of care here? GDPR or DPA considerations? Any other investigations going on?

    *Salisbury. Bloody Salisbury. WTF is an (apparently) ex-military intelligence officer, who (apparently) has already been turned once, doing in bloody Salisbury in the first bloody place? Even the Royal Army Chaplains’ Department HQ is only half an hour away.

  20. ” Why release it? What does it add?”

    Simple – it proves that the authorities aren’t lying to us. There’s far too many inconsistencies with the entire story as we are being told, if what the authorities say is true, then there can be no harm in showing us some footage of the Skripals as they wandered around Salisbury that day, to clear up exactly where they went, and when. Indeed the very bench they ended up on is covered by a camera, why can’t we see some footage of them at least arriving at the bench? We literally have nothing other than the word of politicians and Deep State security forces for everything that has gone on in Salisbury. Not one bit of photographic evidence in fact that the Skripals were even on that bench in the first place. How about the policeman who was early on the scene – he was wearing a camera we are told, why can’t we see some of that footage too?

    You may be happy to believe what politicians tell you, I no longer am. We’ve been flat out lied to so many times now I wouldn’t believe them if they said the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. And its very important. If (big if) the Skripals were the target of an assassination by Russian State operatives on UK using a nerve agent, then that could well have severe consequences for the entire UK public. I think we deserve a bit more proof that what the politicians are telling us happened actually did happen, before they go shooting their mouths off blaming the Russians, all the while saying ‘Trust us, we know what we’re doing, we’ve got secret information we can’t show you proles’.

  21. Agreed Jim, Plink & bloke in spain. What sensible person would trust a government, the Labour-Conservative uniparty, that imported alien populations without ever consulting us? That call us ‘racist’ at best and prosecute at worst for criticising this or remarking on those aliens’ criminal and terrorist proclivities. That disarmed us while importing ever more violent aliens. That sound like a stuck record as they trot out the ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ speech after Every. Single. Terrorist. act by those aliens. Our police who eagerly investigate and prosecute our soldiers for every slight misstep in the confusion and stress of combat operations, while actual terrorists live the good life courtesy of the taxpayer with their immunity-from-arrest certificates. Police who cover up industrial-scale abuse of our young girls by those imported aliens.

    “““““Our””””” government and police behave more like enemy occupiers.

    Jim: ‘all the while saying ‘Trust us, we know what we’re doing, we’ve got secret information we can’t show you proles’.’ Yes: and it is interesting how many willingly, gratefully, accept the role of a credulous worshipper passively receiving the word of the priest. Who says religion is dead?

  22. The final act in this farce that told me it was all smoke and mirrors was when they stated they were burying the emergency vehicles involved in landfill!

  23. “The final act in this farce that told me it was all smoke and mirrors was when they stated they were burying the emergency vehicles involved in landfill!”

    It also told us how much the authorities value the public’s safety vs that of State employees: the denizens of Salisbury were told to wash their clothes and wipe things down with wet wipes as defence against a ‘nerve agent’ but State workers get brand new police cars and ambulances to drive around in……….not only that you get your house bought off you as well if you’re a policeman who attended the Skripals, but if you’re a kid who was handed bread by them (at a time that was less than 2 hours after they had allegedly just been handling the poisoned doorknob, and before they went to the restaurant that they so contaminated its still closed) nothing. Didn’t even try to find them for 2 weeks, then just a quick hospital check up, no you’re OK, bugger off.

  24. Jim – doesn’t that perhaps tell us more about the venality of gov’t employees and their unions, and the spinelessness and/or irresponsibility of the gov’t itself?

    I mean, plainly there is no danger to the public, and therefore no danger to the policeman’s family. If they were going to get sick, they’d be sick already, right?

    So what we perhaps have here is some people spotting an opportunity, and a gov’t too weak or uninterested to turn them down. That’s not to say that the copper didn’t ought to get compo if he really did get sick – but buying his house off him?


    “Earlier this month it was revealed the force’s response will cost £7.5 million, and the area’s police and crime commissioner Angus Macpherson has asked the Home Office to cover the bill.”

    Who among us believes that number hasn’t been inflated in an attempt to bilk the Home Office out of some cash?


    The other option, of course, is that the whole thing is a false flag and Shropshire police were selected to carry it out. The poisoning of the Skripals was real, but calculated not to kill; the poisoning of the copper was fake, designed to give a cover story – worker’s comp – to his “wetwork” payments; and senior figures in Shropshire police are in line for a cut too, in the form of the higher salary the department can afford to pay them since their budget’s about to go up by 7.5 million.

    Alex Jones, eat your heart out.

  25. It also told us how much the authorities value the public’s safety vs that of State employees

    Bloody hell. Thieving bastards!

  26. MMcC: ‘The other option, of course, …’ Many other options as the only real debates over the behaviour of our government and police these days are whether it stems from rank imbecility or deliberate malice. Cockups aplenty and the only conspiracies are of the CYA variety; and reminiscent of Robert Mason’s disappeared Huey that solved all the quartermasters’ missing kit issues, so ‘It woz the Russians wot dunnit’ is a convenient excuse for every balls-up that our intel people make.

    I’ve seen passing speculation that maybe it was Sergei Skripal himself, up to no good when something went wrong. That’s as valid as any other speculation—particularly that from the various Jack D. Rippers so keen to go ‘nooklur combat toe to toe with the Rooskies’ (protect our ‘precious bodily fluids’).

    Lending weight to the Skripal Own Goal theory is that some ex-spooks, the curtain closing on their initial appearance on the public stage, seem desperate to stay in the limelight and remain relevant; e.g. Shayler and Machon jumping on every conspiracy theory around.
    And there is no getting away from Skripal being a traitor and by definition disloyal and untrustworthy. ‘Treason’ within the context of an ideological conflict might be forgivable—Russians allied with their homeland’s enemies, believing opposing communism was the ‘higher form of patriotism’; just as Westerners worked for the USSR, believing opposing capitalism to be patriotic; anti-Nazi Germans worked against the Nazi regime, French Royalists allied with Britain against the usurper Buonaparte, British Royalists allied with Spain against the usurper Cromwell, etc. But communism had fallen when Skripal turned traitor (after 23 years of—presumably loyal—military service), so he either has no loyalty to country or friends (so we cannot count on any)—or he turned traitor in order to restore communism.

  27. @ScorchedEarth: My Skripal theory all along has been that its an operation (by who, and for what purpose no-one can tell, it doesn’t really matter to be honest) thats gone horribly wrong. No-one was supposed to be poisoned, it happened accidentally, but the back story as to how the accident came about is too sensitive for public eyes, and therefore a cover-up was required.

    This theory is not inconvenienced by the duo we see accused of being the ‘asassins’ – to me they seem more like a couple of chaps on a bit of a jolly, delivering something shady maybe, but not exactly looking like a pair who have just carried out a hit using one of the most dangerous substances known to man. Taking their time, having a wander around Salisbury city centre, peering in shop windows, when logic would dictate they want to get out of Dodge sharpish.

  28. As if on cue to demonstrate how stupid they think we are US Spokesfolk have been blowing hard about how they are SURE that Assad is gearing up for another chemical attack soon. Despite again being a short step away from victory. Having re-visited the “Putin is a poisoner” meme with help from the Fish Faced Cow their next step is likely False Flag no 3. Third time being the trick for anti-chemical US intervention with WW3 as an optional extra?

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