Ah well, at least he tried!

You’ve got to feel for old Adam Piggott here. He starts off trying to put in place a half-sensible comments policy to eliminate the headcases:

It’s been a pretty massive week on the blog for which I thank all of my readers and commenters, linkers and disseminaters. Something which has started to increase over the last few weeks is an increase in the number of spammers as well as a general change of their tactics.

So here are the rules of the blog as regards to Jews. Feel free to criticize any Jew on their actions and their words just like we would criticize anyone else. Likewise, feel free to criticize Israel on its actions and policies, just like we would criticize any other nation.

But no inferring. No stooping to nebulous half claims of Jewish conspiracy. No attributing actions to the fact that someone is a Jew. And (((this sort of thing))) will get you banned.

And then within a few minutes he gets stuff like this:

Wow you really believe their were death camps?
That means you are super stupid. Your blog is off my list of things worth reading.

And this:

There’s really no difference between cucking to “aborigines,” negroes, hispanics, muslims or jews. It doesn’t make one enlightened to see the problems with some of the groups and pretend there aren’t any with the third. It just makes you a cuck.

And this:

You seem to be speaking with authority on this, so please could you name the death camps. We know there were none in Germany, and if you say Auschwitz I will show you a video of the head curator there admitting to a Jewish documentary maker that there were no mass gassings in the place. If you say Treblinka, i will link to a documentary which sought to prove gassings there but failed utterly. Zyklon B doesn´t even kill humans in the manner they claim (it is harmless in pellet form)

Basically, what happened was that the Allies were understandably eager to show the world that the sacrifice of blood and treasure during WWII was worth it, so they were only too pleased to when the footage of the dead inmates turned up. But rather than explain they had died from disease, etc, they perverted the message to blame the deaths on a deliberate policy of genocide.

This is one reason why I don’t associate with the alt-right, nor read many of their blogs: within three comments you’re neck-deep in a discussion on “the Jews” and whether the Holocaust really happened. Fortunately, he also got plenty of comments like this:

Adam, thank you for taking a public stand on (((this))). The absolute worst thing about the alt-right blogs is the retarded anti-Semitism that is used to justify just about everything under the sun and the way that most hosts either turn a blind eye or encourage it in their comments section. The comments of otherwise useful blogs are so full of fucking garbage that goes from a jewish guy doing something wrong to ((( ))) being the sole focus of the next 50 comments. You’ve lit a beacon of common sense above your door.

Adam’s experience only goes to show how deep the problem runs. Good on him for trying to stamp it out, but I fear it may be an uphill struggle.

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36 thoughts on “Ah well, at least he tried!

  1. Quite agree. There isn’t much that the alt-right gets right in my view, although I do confess to reading some of the blogs quite often. Mostly I enjoy the anti-SJW stuff.

    – Ideas on trade are nutty and commitment to free markets is hardly rock solid.
    – Anti-Semitic – nuff said
    – ‘Race realism’ has nothing to offer. What policies exactly are meant to follow from an insight that most non-whites have lower intelligence? It seems to me that whatever those policies might be can be justified with less controversial statements. Anybody with two eyes can see that large scale immigration is bad for the native population in almost all cases. No further analysis required.

    To be fair people like Vox and Zman are fairly measured (they are both arrogant as hell though – maybe Zman less so but man does he like his own voice); it is in the comments section that it goes off the rails.

  2. To be fair people like Vox and Zman are fairly measured (they are both arrogant as hell though – maybe Zman less so but man does he like his own voice

    I don’t read Vox, but I do like ZMan. I suppose I overlook him liking his own voice because I’m probably guilty of that too. That’s kinda what blogging is, I’ve often thought!

  3. As to the comment on Auschwitz, he’s right. There were no gassings at Auschwitz, the preferred method of execution was firing squad. All the gassings took place just down the road at Buchenwald.

    We visited Auschwitz/Buchenwald two years ago. I cried.

    It’s a place everyone should visit, but you’ll only do it once.

  4. Not just the alt-right is swivel-eyed about Jewish conspiracies: it’s increasingly mainstream in the Labour Party and almost every organisation with “Islam” in it.

  5. As to the comment on Auschwitz, he’s right. There were no gassings at Auschwitz, the preferred method of execution was firing squad. All the gassings took place just down the road at Buchenwald.

    Half the problem is people don’t know the difference between extermination camps and concentration camps. There were a lot of the latter, only a handful of the former, and some – like Auschwitz-Buchenwald – a combination of the two.

    I’ve been to Dachau, the thing that struck me most was the cold.

  6. Henry Crun

    I think you mean Birkenau.

    Auschwitz was the work camp with the IG Farben plant, Birkenau the extermination camp attached to it.

    Buchenwald was a concentration camp in Greater Germany.

  7. I think you mean Birkenau.

    And I’ve managed to repeat his mistake. You’re quite correct, it’s Auschwitz-Birkenau.

  8. I’m a bit late to the party what are these alt-right websites? I visit brierbart for the odd headline although I honestly haven’t seen Jew bashing there and I always understood that to be a pro-Israeli site. I regularly frequent a few investment blogs, the odd engineering one and some history sites and there is zero Jew bashing there, the investment blogs are pretty nasty too. No real Jew discussion at work or play either, it just doesn’t come in to it. Don’t see it mentioned here as a subject per se.

    I reckon their are no sacred cows, everyone’s fair game and if a Jewish poster takes offense then they should get stuck in.

    I must admit that I certainly admire a lot of things about Hitler and National Socialism and its amazing how most folk dont actually understand any of the good things that they achieved. China now is a kind of fascist state and that is a good thing, fascism doesn’t have to have negative connotation. I often wonder how things would have worked out if Britain hadn’t declared war on Germany, he did say and appeal many times that he didn’t want a war with Britain and I dont think that he did. I guess the Russians were coming one way or the other. The Jews certainly have something to answer for with the Bolshevik massacres. Hitler had it in for the Jews alright, and they him, some bad shit went down no doubt about it and s an engineer I also don’t believe the standard holocaust line either and this European thing about not questioning it is disgraceful and I fail to see why London needs yet another monument to it.

    There is no doubt that there is a very powerful Israeli lobby in the US, the UK and Aus, probably the most powerful lobby group of all and it can be a bit of a third rail if you step on it. There is a really good interview with a powerful and elderly Israeli lady when asked about this, she said, oh yes its real its a weapon we use it and we use it very well and efficiently why wouldn’t we, so for me that is a reasonable explanation.

    Someone mentioned the UK Labor Party I found that surprising, I seen some footage of a UK Labour pro-Israeli nut-job absolutely ranting and raving at Ken Livingstone inside some official building and screaming at him and calling him anti-Semite, I was pretty surprised to see that going on, the other guy was totally unhinged. Fuck me, Red Ken was the mayor of London when i lived there and I really doubt that he is an Anti-Semite.

    Are there any Jews around the place, do any post on here, if so what do they reckon?

    Are we aloud to mention Adams misogyny?

  9. “But no inferring”: I assume he means implying or insinuating. Good word, ‘insinuating’.

    Anyway, try looking at the comments threads on several Unz contributors such as the excellent Steve Sailer. Sailer himself makes comments on American Jewry that seem to me to be frank and critical rather than anti-semitic, but among his commenters are some real fruitcakes. How many are just faking it I have no idea but I assume some aren’t. Maybe most aren’t.

    Even James Thompson – erudite, courteous, and interested in the measurement of, and consequences of, IQ – gets his comments threads infested with anti-semites.

  10. Bardon,

    I am of Jewish heritage although completely non-religious now. My great-grandfather married a Catholic girl, he wasn’t Orthodox so he remained Jewish and my great-grandmother remained Catholic.

    Anyone doubting that the holocaust occurred should take a trip to Auschwitz-Birkenau. Auschwitz itself was the Polish Army barracks commandeered by the SS who proceeded to clear the inhabitants in the surrounding area over a 20 mile radius. Granted it wasn’t just Jews that were executed but they were by far the majority. Not all of them were gassed, those deemed fit enough to work were put to work and the rations were so pitiful that many worked until they dropped dead.

    There are pictures of those interred – doctors, lawyers, bakers, butchers, soldiers, priests, disabled people. Men, women and children. The Nazis were quite meticulous in documenting the inmates until they ran out of film stock.

    It is a harrowing experience especially after walking through the main gate with the wrought iron words “Arbeit Macht Frei” above it. One which I never want to repeat.

    Where I live in Netherlands there are small brass plaques in the pavement outside houses where Jews lived and who were taken from their homes and sent to transit camps in Hilversum and Amersfoort before being transported to the concentration camps. Yeah, it happened. Why anyone would want to deny it or downplay the importance, is beyond me.

  11. I seriously don’t get anti semitism. I get why some people don’t like most of the other groups (especially if there’s a kind of PR led war to get acceptance for things that don’t fit into cultural norms), but disliking Jews… it’s hardly like they haven’t assimilated well, nor contributed masses to our culture.

    Iin addition, its fabulously old-fashioned. It’s like having issues with women showing an ankle, or hating on the Picts.

    Who the fuck does it nowadays?

  12. “Who the fuck does it nowadays?”

    How long have you got? Apart from the RoP, the Lefties with their ‘I’m anti-Zionist not anti-Semitic schtick, some old school Nazi’s and unreconstructed pan-Slav types.

    I put it down to envy at the sheer size of their achievements in relation to their numbers. Plus the general hatred of the smart and the funny by those who are neither.

  13. Being a simple sort of soul I find myself in complete agreement with John Square. I simply cannot understand anti semitism or even holocaust denial.

    I found Bardon’s comments above rather curious. There was precious little to admire about Hitler’s regime. And in fact thinking hard, I still haven’t found anything.

    I’d be genuinely curious to know what Bardon finds so admirable apart from the uniforms, and the pathological obsession with applying serial numbers to rifle parts.

  14. There was precious little to admire about Hitler’s regime.

    As you say, the uniforms. Plus the symbols: you gotta admit, they had branding down to a fine art. And some military gear. That’s about it.

  15. Hitler himself was immensely popular, far more than the Nazi Party was.

    The past is a foreign country. The past in a foreign country is over the hills and far way.

  16. I start with the assumption that anyone expressing an anti-Semitic opinion is likely to be unconsciously projecting their own perceived failures and inadequacies.

    Someone who is unable to distinguish between the past perfect and past participle of the verb “to see”, for example.

  17. Sadly there are plenty of great blogs out there ruined by the crazys in the comments, usually of the type you describe.I get the alt right thing but I could never be associated, my age I guess….plus my Eurasian children.

  18. “I often wonder how things would have worked out if Britain hadn’t declared war on Germany, he did say and appeal many times that he didn’t want a war with Britain and I dont think that he did.”

    Hitler was an unstable megalomaniac, and he demonstrated many times that he was pathologically untrustworthy. Had he been allowed to conquer Europe, he would have targeted the UK sooner or later.

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  20. Bardon on November 14, 2017 at 3:09 pm said:

    “I often wonder how things would have worked out if Britain hadn’t declared war on Germany, he did say and appeal many times that he didn’t want a war with Britain . . . “

    I’ve always read that sentence as ending with the word “yet.” Yes, the timing was bad for him. Thank goodness.

  21. “Had he been allowed to conquer Europe, he would have targeted the UK sooner or later.”

    To my way of thinking he would have had to as the target was firstly on him. Lets take Hitler and countries out of it for a moment. Country A declares war on Country B, despite this Country B makes many offers to Country A to not go to war, Country A declines such overtures and maintains its war footing and declaration of war on Country B. Country B sooner or later responds accordingly.

  22. Yes, that undercurrent is rather troubling. Due to it I’ve been made aware that I apparently look jewish, which I never realised. However, it appears to be only Neo Nazis and Islamists that notice (or care) about such things.

    I can’t imagine how actually-jewish YouTubers cope with the flood of antisemitic loonies, unless they’re constantly patrolling their comments wielding the ban stick.

  23. “Half the problem is people don’t know the difference between extermination camps and concentration camps.”

    Which really says a lot about the value of state education.

  24. @JuliaM – and precious few know about the Soviet policy of deliberate starvation of entire regions, or of shipping thousands of people out into the tundra or the taiga in the middle of winter and leaving them there without food, shelter or tools.

    The Soviets didn’t need extermination camps when they could just dump people in the middle of nowhere with little chance of survival. Solzhenitsyn reports an anecdote about one such group actually surviving until years later, when they were promptly rounded up again, shipped off somewhere else, and perished.

  25. Which really says a lot about the value of state education.

    Perhaps the teachers don’t find time in their 70-hour weeks to teach people anything?

  26. @abacab
    “Yes, that undercurrent is rather troubling. Due to it I’ve been made aware that I apparently look jewish, which I never realised”

    This is one of the reasons find anti-Semitism so bonkers. It’s so tangential to reality. I’ve had the same thing “You must be jewish, because you have a big nose”. If you can’t reliably identify the people you purport to hate, I’d argue it’s not so much an prejudice as a mental disability.

    My father had the same thing when he ran a London university- death threats from the Islamist students*, all peppered with anti-Semitism.

    To say my dad was bemused was an understatement.

    *because, whilst he agreed to provide prayer rooms (as they had the space, and the statutory obligation to consider provision was there), he’d refused to provide segregated prayer rooms, stating it was contrary to the cultural norms the university espoused. Plus, he also banned several radical speakers from attending, in the grounds he’d been advised by special branch that at least one gentleman in question was “an illiterate shepherd who sexually interfered with his livestock’, and my dad doubted he had much to contribute to any discussion at the university.

  27. You seem to be speaking with authority on this, so please could you name the death camps. We know there were none in Germany

    As if it particularly matters, the tiny difference between a Nazi “concentration camp” and a Nazi “death camp”. What greater issue are they arguing here? That death camps didn’t exist? They were staged?

    It isn’t stupid people who hold these opinions. Being able to argue in this way isn’t the mark of particular stupidity. It is amazing that there are people with enough intelligence to argue the difference yet actually care and think it means something. Their brains must be crawling.

  28. “We know there were none in Germany”

    Define Germany. Auschwitz-Birkenau was in Germany as it was legally defined at the time.

  29. Plus, he also banned several radical speakers from attending, in the grounds he’d been advised by special branch that at least one gentleman in question was “an illiterate shepherd who sexually interfered with his livestock’, and my dad doubted he had much to contribute to any discussion at the university.

    Sounds like Papa Square was rather set in his ways; surely, as the modern era shows us, there was room for this chap on the staff payroll?

  30. As if it particularly matters, the tiny difference between a Nazi “concentration camp” and a Nazi “death camp”. What greater issue are they arguing here?

    Exactly. There were no extermination camps in Germany as most people understand it, they were all in Poland or elsewhere; and the camps in Germany were only concentration camps. At which point we’re entitled to ask: so fucking what?

  31. “Exactly. There were no extermination camps in Germany as most people understand it, they were all in Poland or elsewhere; and the camps in Germany were only concentration camps. At which point we’re entitled to ask: so fucking what?”

    It’s a lovely logical fallacy. There were no extermination camps in what is now modern Germany, therefore there were no German extermination camps.

    Auschwitz 1 was not an extermination camp, therefore no camp in the Auschwitz complex was an extermination camp.

    Yes, it’s down on that silly level.

  32. I simply cannot understand anti semitism

    What’s not to understand? You have an ethnic group that’s been restricted from owning land for most of their existence, forcing them to engage in a form of eugenics and social pressure to exceed in the service industries, leading to a massive rush of wealth when the plague ushers in the rise of the middle class. Now you can add envy to the outside pressures, which leads to further ingroup protection strategies, and the feedback loop is complete.

  33. Daniel Ream,

    To me at least, your succinct few lines above represent a pretty compelling synopsis of a thousand or so years’ worth of history.
    It’s been a niggling concern of mine for some time that there is an awkward and unaddressed (or at least half way sensibly addressed) issue of why early twentieth century Jews were such easy hate figures for their awful persecutors. In effect, ‘they’ pushed their luck and were in some hindsight-endowed sense maladroit. On a multi-generational view, possibly good at brain-taxing economics and clannish survival, not so good at or insufficiently interested in ‘expedient politics’. Or, more plainly, trying to stop the pig-ignorant thickoes from eating absolutely every bit of your lunch, up to and including possibly you or indeed me and anyone else stood in the way (interestingly, something I notice modern politically aware FTSE CEOs are rather more sensitised to, with their standardised, placatory and inclusive ‘stakeholder’ verbiage, or Danegeld as I prefer to term it).

    I hate to sound at all glib about the unimaginable and unshared suffering of innocents. Of course, it’s always been the approximately discerned but hateable ‘Other’, or, better described, it’s just petty and base spiteful envy that justifies the most enormous yet socially sanctioned horrors from the smallest of triggers. Horrors that, at the time and possibly never if things work out right, are conveniently not recognised as such.

    Rather more amazingly, given that this was historically such a very recent sobering experience, we seem to have learned distressingly little. We’re ready to kick off again; we got the pitchforks, just point us to the mill! Any mill! Doesn’t even have to be a mill, any caricatured swine will do!

    Not terribly encouraging…

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