Who knew what?

Via Twitter I came across an astonishing quote from one Bernard Godard, who served as an expert on Islam in the French ministry of interior between 2007-14. His remarks were made in relation to the recent allegations against Tariq Ramadan, a Swiss scholar specialising in Islam who from what I can tell gets wheeled out frequently for commentary and blessed with cushy positions in institutes of higher learning such as Oxford University. Apparently Mr Ramadan is now being accused of raping minors, which seems to be quite a regular occurrence among mildly famous people these days. But what is extraordinary is the statement of M. Godard, who obviously knew Mr Ramadan well (emphasis mine):

“That he had many mistresses, that he consulted sites, that girls were brought to the hotel at the end of his lectures, that he invited them to undress, that some resisted and that he could become violent and aggressive, yes, but I have never heard of rapes, I am stunned,” he told French magazine L’Obs.

Right, so a pal of yours is known for inviting girls to his hotel room, demanding they undress, and getting violent and aggressive if they resist but when you’re informed of rape allegations you’re “stunned”? Look, I know the French have a rather odd interpretation of what constitutes sexual assault if the man in question is a well-connected older man (see Dominic Strauss-Khan for example), but does this Godard really think everyone’s that stupid? If the British government is being rattled by allegations of inappropriate knee-touching fifteen years ago, Lord knows what we’re going to uncover if the French lift the blanket on the behaviour of their politicians.

I was thinking about all this the other night, and cast my mind back to Hollywood and Harvey Weinstein. Entry into Hollywood is difficult and one doesn’t just arrive and immediately get invited to Weinstein’s hotel room for an audition; there is a process and it takes time. For a lot of people, that will involve turning up and touting around for roles as an extra just to get you on set, building up to a minor walk-on role perhaps with a few lines of dialogue. For others, family connections get them onto a set and shoved up the ladder a bit quicker. Unless I’m missing something, this lifestyle will involve little other than talking to agents, socialising, putting yourself about, and spending hour after hour hanging around either on set or off it with other wannabe actors and actresses in just the same situation as you. You’ll also be surrounded by thousands of other studio workers, e.g. electricians, make-up artists, wardrobe assistants, etc. many of whom will also be working hard on their careers.

Apparently we’re supposed to believe that none of these people engage in gossip or, when a greenhorn arrives in their patch, they spell out how things work and what’s expected of them. If the celebrity stories are to be believed, they navigated the lower rungs of Hollywood for years without getting a single whiff of how it worked, and only at the moment Weinstein jacked off into a potted plant did it all become clear. Right.

Regardless of the industry, newcomers are almost always subject to being pulled aside on day one and educated by the experienced hands as to how things work. Half the time they’re making sure a potential rival doesn’t get above their station, but the other half they’re just engaging in natural paternal or maternal behaviour mixed with the fun of gossiping about people. Anyone arriving on the periphery of Hollywood would have learned very quickly how things work closer to the core. Rumours would abound as to why actress X got that role in film Y shortly after she met with producer Z, and a young aspiring actress would soon learn what was expected of her sooner or later. Some would quit the industry, some would choose to hang around on the periphery or take a less-prominent role which didn’t require the same compromises, but others would choose to press on anyway. This is fair enough, but I find it extremely hard to believe any actor or actress did so without having received dozens of warnings, listened to hundreds of stories, and heard a thousand rumours.

Is this any different in politics? Are those who hang around on the periphery not pulled aside and subject not only to endless dark warnings about how they should behave, but also about the nature and characteristics of the powerful men and women who control the hierarchy? Of course they are. Stuff a tenth as juicy as this becomes office gossip in every organisation, it simply isn’t possible to keep serial debauchery, harassment, sexual assault, or rape under wraps and out of the rumour mill. Every organisation has a load of people who absolutely live for this kind of thing, and they make sure whatever goes on is common, if unconfirmed, knowledge. Exaggerated and embellished of course, but usually based in some sort of truth.

What I feel is getting left out of the “everyone knew” narrative is that this is probably true of the victims, too. Who in their right mind would go to a hotel room of an old creep like Tariq Ramadan or Harvey Weinstein other than to sleep with them? Or did these young women proceed anyway, perhaps thinking they possessed some rare special talent that would mean the meeting would be strictly professional? I could easily believe half of them were dim enough to think that, but the rest? They probably knew damned well what they were getting into.

The minors though, that’s different. My guess is guys who prey on people less powerful than themselves get a kick out of it, and once they’ve been through several dozen willing adults it starts getting boring and they move onto something more edgy. One thing’s for sure, celebrities wrapped up in sexual assault allegations or kiddy-fiddling allegations seem to have an abundance of willing, adult partners on-tap so it’s not driven by frustration. That’s probably reason enough for an organisation to nip this sort of behaviour in the bud as soon as the management hear about it; sure, the university administrations probably thought it was a right giggle that Ramadan used to bed the prettiest girls from the audience immediately after his lectures, but they probably find it less funny now he’s accused of raping minors.

Which brings me onto my final point: in among all this talk of minors being abused in Hollywood or by dodgy Swiss scholars, where the hell were the parents? Nobody seems to want to ask that.

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16 thoughts on “Who knew what?

  1. They all knew. I’m coming round to the view that absolutely everyone in acting / entertainment / singing / showbiz is a total scuzzbucket. And I discount what they say accordingly. I really, really don’t give a flying fuck what Eddie Izzard or Benedict Communist think about anything. They’re too busy being fruity for me to take them seriously.

  2. Women slept with other people in the film industry because it was to their career advantage. Women are now throwing those same industry people under the bus because once again it is to their career advantage. Women compete and other women are their competition. Right now they don’t want to miss out on the potential rewards of turning on Weinstein and his ilk.

    Also, the reason that this is happening only now is the Trump effect. If Hillary! had won this wouldn’t be happening.

  3. where the hell were the parents

    The same place all the parents were when their 13 year old daughters were messing around with rock stars back stage in the 1970s. Somewhere else.

  4. Combine the following factors and you can understand why the media is as it is:

    1. Everyone who wants to work in it is a extrovert self-centered narcissist.
    2. There are lots of extroverted self-centered narcissists, which leads to (3).
    3. There is massive over-supply in the industry, which makes it a buyer’s market.
    4. Extroverted self-centered narcissists will do anything to get themselves on TV or in films.
    5. They are all shagging each other anyway, it isn’t as if they are nuns. Having to watch Weistein jack off into a plant pot to get a star role is small beer.
    6. Suddenly, SCANDAL! Great, a chance to play a new role, get yourself into the public eye again. Act shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU at the cameras, smile darling.

  5. And remember that these people think that their kind of utter scuzzbuckets are the Great and the Good. Which is why they think that the rest of us are so beyond the pale. Since we’re the Other, so we must, by definition, be worse. Since they’re Good, and we must be Bad.

  6. What struck me reading Tim’s post is that all the starlets who ended up in Harv’s suite must have already sucked a fair few cocks to get there.

  7. I sincerely hope Ramadan ends up in the slammer. He’s a slimeball, who only owes his position to the West’s inexplicable appetite for self-destruction.

    It should be no surprise that someone – even a highly educated someone – who is cheerleader for a racist ideology that hates women would feel entitled to force himself on “white slags”.

  8. “If Hillary! had won this wouldn’t be happening.” Spot on. Congratulations to those hardy, judicious souls who held their noses and voted for Literally Hitler.

  9. MC
    “What struck me reading Tim’s post is that all the starlets who ended up in Harv’s suite must have already sucked a fair few cocks to get there.”

    This is exactly my thought too…

  10. Where were the parents? Facilitating the whole sordid mess. Anyone who tries to tell you the parents didn’t know are selling the same brand of bullshit.

  11. What struck me reading Tim’s post is that all the starlets who ended up in Harv’s suite must have already sucked a fair few cocks to get there.

    It’s hard to imagine that, in such an environment, they got to his suite on raw talent alone.

  12. It should be no surprise that someone – even a highly educated someone – who is cheerleader for a racist ideology that hates women would feel entitled to force himself on “white slags”.

    I’m about as surprised as Jeffrey Dahmer when the verdict was returned.

  13. Where were the parents? Facilitating the whole sordid mess. Anyone who tries to tell you the parents didn’t know are selling the same brand of bullshit.

    Yup.

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