Trump and Charlottesville

It is becoming clear that whatever did or didn’t happen in Charlottesville, it is now the latest thing over which to call for Trump’s removal from office. The idea that a New York property tycoon who happily saw his daughter convert to Judaism in order to marry a Jewish guy is a white supremacist is absolutely laughable, but then so was the collusion with Russia story and look at how long that ran for. The media only dropped it when it started looking like the only people that would be found colluding with Russia were Democrats, and now they need another reason to call for Trump’s impeachment.

Nobody should be surprised by what’s happened in Charlottesville. As others have pointed out, particularly Brendan O’Neill, this is the inevitable outcome of the identity politics which predated Obama but became a defining feature of his two terms. The usual suspects – the media, deranged lefties, and Democrats – have predictably blamed the whole thing on Trump and when he failed to single out their ideological enemies for special criticism, instead preferring to condemn all sides, they took it as proof that he is in fact a Grand Wizard of the KKK. At this stage, one wouldn’t expect anything else.

In addition, you have the Never Trumpers and gelded Republicans condemning Trump, mainly because they don’t like the Alt-Right and, with a lot of them being Jews, don’t like the anti-semitism which plagues those quarters. Their complaint is that in his latest speech Trump differentiated between the Alt-Right and Nazis, which to me seems rather uncontroversial even if there is some overlap. The problem is, the Republicans and Never Trumpers are only marginally more in touch with the millions of voters who put Trump in office than the lunatics calling Trump a white supremacist.

I don’t have a much in common with the Alt-Right politically and they come across to me as a bunch of immature blokes who’ve spent too much time in the comments of red-pill, PUA sites, but they’re a potent political force (for now) and they’re not Nazis. I like that they’re upsetting the cosy apple-cart of the loony-left Democrats and the pointless Republicans because it was an apple-cart that needed upsetting: best it’s done sooner by a bunch of clowns wearing Pepe the Frog t-shirts and a reality TV host than a seriously nasty and capable bastard backed by proper money and interests. As has been pointed out repeatedly, Trump was a symptom not a cause, and his election ought to have served as a shot across the bows of the political establishment, particularly the Republicans, that forces beyond their control are building in American politics. It’s a warning they seem determined to ignore.

The term Nazi has been thrown around so much that when real Nazis show up waving swastikas the only people who care are those who think a Nazi is anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders, and decent Americans who think they ought to say something. I can imagine that after eight years of Obama embracing the BLM movement, race riots in Ferguson and elsewhere, and endless accusations of racism, an awful lot of white Americans are simply shrugging their shoulders at the appearance of a gaggle of supposed Nazis carrying torches they bought at Home Depot. The expectation is that we all rush out to condemn them, but a yawn is probably more realistic. Nobody sane is buying the Nazi bogeyman, and nobody thinks Trump is a white supremacist. I suspect most people aren’t even particularly concerned over his handling of the issue, having learned to ignore the hysterical screaming from the media.

Trump”s opponents have tried the Russian puppet, and now they’re trying the Nazi smear. The old adage of a dead girl or a live boy would more likely get him on the front cover of Vogue than out of office these days. I’m genuinely curious what they’ll try next.

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21 thoughts on “Trump and Charlottesville

  1. “I don’t have a much in common with the Alt-Right politically”

    Trust me you are far enough from approved groupthink that you will be accused of that eventually. As you know from my comments elsewhere I am considerably to the left of the majority of commenters on your average moderate right-leaning blog but I have been accused of being a conservative, republican (!) and general rightist sympathiser. By an American Democrat, who thinks everyone who doesn’t share his political views entirely is obviously a complete and utter alt-right moron.

    Where America leads, in the dichotomisation and now naked hatred between two ideologies (I mean democrats and republicans; a distinction which at times it has been difficult to slip a cigarette paper into), Europe inevitably follows.

    I’m just waiting for someone, anyone, on the left, to stand up for diversity rather than pretending to support it by suppressing it.

  2. Trust me you are far enough from approved groupthink that you will be accused of that eventually.

    Oh, I’m sure I will. I doubt I’ll notice, though.

    Where America leads, in the dichotomisation and now naked hatred between two ideologies (I mean democrats and republicans; a distinction which at times it has been difficult to slip a cigarette paper into), Europe inevitably follows.

    From what I can see, the ideologies in the US are:

    1. Lunatic Democrats and feckless Republicans
    2. Alt-Right
    3. Ordinary people wishing some adults would turn up.

    No. 3 are just about in the majority, for now.

  3. I don’t understand what the Republicans think they will gain from ousting Trump. They will get eight years of a Democrat presidency. You don’t even have to say who – anyone on a Democrat ticket would win.

    Would Republicans who voted Trump vote for an ‘official’ Republican candidate who stabbed Trump in the back? Highly unlikely.
    Would Democrats who voted Trump (blue collar workers) vote for an ‘official’ Republican candidate? No.

  4. They will keep trying until they succeed. Pence will be sworn in at some stage unless of course there is a deep state counter coup and Rand Paul the great Christian hope gets up.

    I don’t think we have heard the last of his son in laws connection with Putin’s Rabbi either, that is an obvious one but maybe too sensitive, even for Trump haters.

    Some other ones that they might pin on him:

    – Firing Mueller would be a good one.

    – Blocking Obamacare funding.

    – Triggering a debt default in September.

    – Something going wrong in Syria and with their frosty Russian relations there.

  5. It increasingly looks as if the Cold War was the only thing holding the USA together. Once it was over they could either try to replace it by harebrained aggressive wars involving no noticeable American interest (Serbia, Iraq, Libya etc) or they could turn to fighting each other.

  6. Of all the time I lived in the US especially as a young man and then later on with investing activities in some very rough places I met a lot of fairly intense people in all walks of life. I got to say though that I never got into any fights with the locals ever, not even preliminary biff and this was when the Big Apple was rotten to its core, so that makes the septics a peaceful lot in my books. Not that I was looking for trouble either.

  7. “the Cold War was the only thing holding the USA together”

    Not really. US demographics have changed vastly in that time due to immigration.

    “Triggering a debt default in September”

    I hope so but I am not hopeful based on the healthcare fiasco where Trump was happy to go along with anything that would pass.

  8. ” US demographics have changed vastly in that time due to immigration.”

    But the lefty mobs seem to be dominated by whites and blacks, hardly reflecting the demographic change.

  9. We are in a war and if Trump is taken down by the weight of the egocentric, left-blubbering and ignorant-to-reality media then the war will break out in a fury hitherto unseen. In many ways, Trump staying in office limits the mayhem that will explode if he goes.

    Mind you, I would be interested to live in a parallel universe where the Great Hillary was elected by a landslide and there is no trouble, no murders, no accusations, no hatreds, just love peace and happiness not only across the US of E (that’s E for Everyone, not America, which is so 1776!) across the world. Even having Kim visiting her at the White House and embracing rainbow-wearing Isis beardies — that’s the women — while queuing up for the multi-gender toilet. Oh me and my fantasies… maybe I should write a book about their fun, though I suspect whatever I write would be burned on one of the first ‘let’s burn all books we don’t like’ bonfires that Hill would demand.

  10. Watcher: “We are in a war and if Trump is taken down by the weight of the egocentric, left-blubbering and ignorant-to-reality media then the war will break out in a fury hitherto unseen. “

    I wish I could be as much of an optimist as you…

  11. I’m genuinely curious what they’ll try next.

    I’m glad I’m not living there. This latest brouhaha seems to me to have been deliberately stoked by the Virginia governor (a Democrat and Clinton friend): there’s a Nazi rally, there’s the inevitable “antifa” response (probably somewhat bused in), and the police are apparently told not to intervene. Cue violence, which the press spins as being entirely one-sided and coming out-of-nowhere, and which the governor himself blamed on Trump.

    Somebody actually died because of all this. I wonder, just what will they try next? i.e., how low are they willing to go?

  12. I don’t understand what the Republicans think they will gain from ousting Trump.

    I think they’re so deluded they believe things will go back to the way they were with half the country voting for Dem-Lites wearing Republican badges.

  13. I got to say though that I never got into any fights with the locals

    That might be because they don’t sell Bundy rum there.

  14. In many ways, Trump staying in office limits the mayhem that will explode if he goes.

    I think so too. Far too many people, both Dems and Republicans, seem to think Trump is the key to all of this and if they can just get rid of him then everything will go back to how things were. They don’t seem to realise that Trump is the rather hapless head of a powerful political force that have elected their man fairly and squarely, and won’t be too pleased if he’s ousted by skulduggery.

  15. “I think they’re so deluded they believe things will go back to the way they were with half the country voting for Dem-Lites wearing Republican badges.”

    This is eerily reminiscent of our very own Remoaners who think that we can simply pretend that the referendum didn’t happen. Always angers me when I see some editorial along the lines of ‘the EU should welcome Britain back’. Especially as it diverts energy from the important task of getting our exit done right.

  16. This is eerily reminiscent of our very own Remoaners who think that we can simply pretend that the referendum didn’t happen.

    Precisely.

  17. One thing I like about Trump is how he has now moved the dial and made Cruz/Paul seem relatively normal whereas it is now Jeb! and Marco who have become the unelectables (whether GOPe knows this is another matter). Without a Trump, Rand Paul would never have a shot at the Presidency. Now I think he does, in 2024.

  18. If it is 2024 then that is when we should expect the final push for the one world government to take place. This will be in the guise of Rand Paul taking the necessary action so that something perceived as terrible either doesn’t happen again or doesn’t occur. He may well be being groomed to appear as the peoples chosen one but if this is so it will also be shown that he was a false prophet in the fullness of time.

  19. I don’t actually dislike the guy and yes I agree with you that he is being groomed for leadership. I also believe that all politicians at his level are selected to play out scripted roles. His role will be to save America from an imminent crisis that was caused by either Trump or Pence, he will be their Messiah during their time of great need. What he will actually have been tasked to do will be to further diminish US sovereignty by ushering them into the newly reformed all encompassing multilateral UN.

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