A New Class of Political Bore

One thing I have noticed in the past few days is the number of hardcore Remain advocates, mostly media figures based in London, who appear to be firmly on the side of the EU in their negotiations with Britain over Brexit. They seem to think, perhaps as those leading the EU negotiations do, that leaking details of meetings and making absurd threats and demands will force the British people to cave in and change their minds.

It is remarkable that these people believe these tactics will not be completely counterproductive, and turn more Brits against the EU. Yes, we know the Metropolitan elite didn’t vote for Brexit, but now we are here they are hoping the process of leaving gets scuppered by any means necessary, even if that increases the possibility of Britain getting the worst of all outcomes. They remind me of the so-called anti-war crowd who were hoping for a complete disaster in Iraq and the deaths of British troops just so they could say “I told you so”. For some people, any price is worth paying to avoid being wrong.

I keep reading people swallowing hole the line that May & Co. are blitheringly incompetent and Britain is headed for disaster. Perhaps they are right, but I’d prefer it if they offered more evidence than the hyperbolic ravings of a dyed-in-the-wool Eurocrat who has clearly taken the Leave vote as a personal insult. There are reasons to be concerned over the Brexit negotiations and there were valid reasons to vote Remain. Neither of these should mean the antics of Juncker and others are cheered by anyone in Britain, but they are.

These people never saw the Leave vote coming because they lived in a privileged bubble in which the benefits of EU membership were obvious and the drawbacks non-existent. Like the Hillary supporters who deluded themselves into thinking Trump would be impeached within the first month and somehow their candidate anointed, they have never stepped back, looked around them, and understood the country they are living in. In their arrogance they think they know best and have the numbers, but neither is true.

I suspect what we’re seeing here is the creation of a new class of political bores, identical to the ones who spent their entire lives blaming the world’s ills on Thatcher and taught their infant children to do the same, only instead of Maggie it will be Brexit which is the object of their ire. One thing is for sure, they’re not going to shut up, nor are they going to change the subject, long after Brexit is done and dusted and Britain is going its own way.

(This over at The Last Ditch is worth reading, too.)

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24 thoughts on “A New Class of Political Bore

  1. 1: a great many remainers don’t fit the whining lefty category. You’re “othering”. This is stupid.
    2: is there are single upside to brexit. Why are we doing this stupid thing?

  2. a great many remainers don’t fit the whining lefty category.

    I never suggested they didn’t. I’m talking solely about those whose behaviour I’m describing, not anyone else.

  3. Maybe Brexit won’t be done and dusted and Britain wont leave, the remainers could drag it out long enough such that another election after the next one would return a pro-European political body. Wasn’t May a remainer, wasn’t the euro program a US creation and if they really did want out quickly then they could have done so by now. It was a Tory leader that got them in with absolute minimum fuss how come exiting is now so difficult.

    If it went that way it would be the brexiteers that would become the bores.

  4. “is there are single upside to brexit. Why are we doing this stupid thing?”

    But why do you want to leave home? You have to do your own laundry, cooking, it’s expensive….You can stay here with Mummy just as long as you like. Look, you can even have the basement as your special area for you and your friends to play in….

  5. If I had a magic wand I’d give every single Brexiteur the gift of a second european language and condemn them to watch the nightly news from some EU country every night until they realised the simple truth: NO ONE much outside this septic isle cares!

    If I had a magic wand I’d give every single Remainer the gift of a second european language and condemn them to watch the nightly news from some EU country every night until they realised the simple truth: NO ONE much outside this septic isle cares!

    Most nights the words ‘Brexit’ or even ‘the UK’ doesn’t appear on the EU newses, not even in the ‘amusing cat video’ slot at the end before the weather. Yes really, guys. We are less important than a dutch farmer who has discovered a cow pat with the face of the blessed Virgin. French cats in tutus dancing to Gangnam Style are more important and interesting to Europe in general than whether we go for a hard or soft option.
    German Sister-in-law sent me a video yesterday, a video of Juncker. Something about Brexit? Or perhaps the French Election? Non, nein, no. Juncker was ‘confessing’ to having met with alien leaders from other planets.
    The EU can’t wait for the ink to be dry on the decree nisi, no matter who gets the porno collection and the car. No matter how much alimony they have to pay. It’ll be worth every cent just not to have to listen to HER, the Brits, anymore. They don’t even care if she gets into bed with Trump or anyother country before the divorce, maybe a good ‘seeing to’ will shut her up for a bit. Hard for even the worst fish wife to whinge with her mouth full.

  6. The Blocked Dwarf

    Not in Spain. It’s mentioned everyday on the news (mainly to trash th UK) and is all over the MSM all the bloody time. And the press swallow and repeat the EU line. All my mates snigger behind my back at the 100 billion (and rising) that the UK is going to have to pay to get out (Ha!).

    ‘Why are you going? It’s lovely in here.’

    Of course you have to remember that Spain is a net receiver and as such will never question the EU until the cash stops.

    And actually we ain’t going anywhere, we are merely leaving the club.

    None of them have any idea of how the EU is run, who it is run for nor what its final objective is. They think the Parliament runs like a regular parliament and when you explain the power of the Commission they think you are making it up. You remind them about the repeated referendums, governments overthrown and they just hum and haw.

    And Madrid thinks it is going to be the new City on the basis of a few empty offices, cheap booze and worse traffic and worse public transport.

  7. Not in Spain. It’s mentioned everyday on the news (mainly to trash th UK)
    I’m sure you’re right (apparently it gets some coverage in the French and Greek medias as well). I was exaggerating a lot to make a point. Don’t think any dutch farmer has found his toast has the face of Christ recently either.
    However I’d suggest a lot of the Spanish coverage is really because of the paranoia about Catexit from Spain.
    But if in a few months the Spainish MSM is still reporting every night on Brexit, I’d be surprised…except when the Scottish question or Gibraltar thing comes up…as it will…again and again.

  8. “If I had a magic wand I’d give every single Brexiteur the gift of a second european language” …. Only one? Fuck me, you mean I have to give one up?

  9. Thanks for the link. My circle of friends is predominantly Continental European and they are now far more interested in the subject than I am. Having argued for decades for Brexit (mostly boozily in Continental bars, to be honest) I am eminently relaxed now, while they are perplexed that their one crazy “island ape” friend from those “funny little islands” had over 17 million fellow citizens who agreed with him after all.

  10. “If I had a magic wand I’d give every single Brexiteur the gift of a second european language” …. Only one? Fuck me, you mean I have to give one up?”

    Of course you would have to give one up, May won’t allow the holding of more than one additional EU languages once she is returned to power with a thumping majority (something the EU seems hell bent on ensuring btw). Untaxed additional languages? Surely English was good enough for St.Paul?

  11. “I am eminently relaxed now, while they are perplexed that their one crazy “island ape”

    Oh yes, been there, been the ‘Inselaffe’, the one they laughed at when I told them in 1987 that the Wall would fall in my lifetime. Just for once in my life a prediction (aka ‘lucky guess’) that came true soon enough that I could rub Germanic noses in it…and I revelled unashamedly in it .

  12. Jackart. You may have wandered in here by mistake. Most of us here don’t like rules and that is what the EU is all about. I would happily also abolish the British parliament. But one thing at a time.

    I’m not at all impressed by May. If Gove were Prime Minister can anybody have any doubt that he would be all over the detail? And he is hardly a remainer softy.

  13. The EU can’t wait for the ink to be dry on the decree nisi, no matter who gets the porno collection and the car.

    Great. The UK is (I hope) just a whisker off saying: ‘Toodle pip, and did we tell you the one about the pelican?’

    Good to know that this will be OK with the remaining vassals of the German empire and that there will be no ill feelings on either side.

  14. that there will be no ill feelings on either side.
    Judging by how Juncker & Co are doing their absolute best to get May the majority she craves , I’d say there’ll be little ill will.
    I’m a bit surprised that the EU hasn’t invaded the Falklands, they’ve done pretty much everything else they can to give May her ‘weak and feeble body’ moment. That she didn’t break into a ‘we shall fight them on the beaches’ routine…
    You know, we Brits often like to think that the continentals don’t understand us and how we think. Well at the moment them continentals are playing us beautifully.
    The 9th of June the EU heads will be toasting the tv screen as May romps home, past the post, past the winners enclosure and out onto the dual carriageway.
    And if her poll ratings drop in the meantime then the EU can always hint at that any Brexit deal will need to ‘clarify’ the status of Gibraltar.

  15. at the moment them continentals are playing us beautifully

    How so exactly? Are you suggesting that the EU and its member states prefers no deal? Or do they believe that May, once boosted with an electoral mandate, will cave in and beg for whatever shitty deal is cast in front of her?

    Forgive me, I am but an ignorant English peasant and find these Continental machinations hard to fathom.

  16. I have to admit when I saw Jackart’s post (and I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that he was the unappealing Jackart on Twitter) my heart sank. I had hoped that the likes of Jackart would concentrate on their collective self-pleasuring fantasies about the “glory that is the EU” and leave the rest of us alone. But now he has found where you live, Mr Tim, he probably won’t let go.

    But he did ask the question about whether there was an upside to leaving German control under Brussels bureaucrats and the answer is yes. First of all, we have the chance to make our own mistakes and secondly, we don’t have to adopt the mistakes of others as a matter of iron law.

  17. But now he has found where you live, Mr Tim, he probably won’t let go.

    To be fair he’s been a regular reader here for a while, and his comments are as welcome as anybody’s.

  18. “To be fair he’s been a regular reader here for a while, and his comments are as welcome as anybody’s.”

    Fairness. Ah yes, I remember… the thing used by the non-lefties but wilfully ignored by the dopey left despite all they say. Anyway, you were always fair Mr Tim so good for you.

  19. @MC

    Just ask yourself, if your were Juncker, who would you rather have to negotiate with?
    May, with all her faults or JC…..
    Diane Abbott for Brexit Minister?
    Now ask yourself, if you were a unmandated British Prime Minister and fairly2nd rate politician, trying to keep her own party together, trying to keep a divided nation together, wanting and needing to be a Strong Leader and be returned with a thumping majority after a ‘snap’ election you did not want to call , what would you want Juncker to be saying? “There will always be a door open for Britain to return”, “we know the British will make a careful considered choice about whom to vote for?”. Which would be the ‘usual’ eyewash politicians come out with.
    Nein, you want the EU threatening to rain down apocalyptic fines, to threaten, to insult (does anyone really believe the ‘delusional’ leak was an accident?). You want the EU to be the Boogey man, the Bully, the enemy. How much ink has already been spilt in anger about the 60 Billion Euros? That was stroke of genius.
    Why I said ‘playing us’ is because the MSM actually seems to think it is all real. Brave May stands up to Euro Bullies and all that tosh. Probably because the MSM tends to be somewhat pro-Remain.
    I was telling people long back before the Plebis-cide that the EU didn’t want us. If they had they would have offered Cameron something that *might* have persuaded the Brexit mob. They didn’t. It was even reported in some MSM that the EU leaders were sick to death of British whining before and after the summit.

  20. Erratum: 60 billion £, or 100 Billion Euros is the figure I keep seeing.

  21. People easily forget that both the French and Dutch voted against the Lisbon treaty…so much so that Sarkozy didn’t ask again and pretended he had negotiated some changes. So did the Irish.

    The difference with the UK is that the result counts.

    Tells you a lot how the EU is run really.

  22. It was even reported in some MSM that the EU leaders were sick to death of British whining before and after the summit.

    And that’s the problem: Britain may have been whining at times, but there were others times when they raised legitimate concerns which were derisively dismissed as whining. In the EU institutions it appears meekly accepting all and every condition is the only behaviour acceptable of member states. Little wonder Britain voted to leave, my only question is why the EU didn’t formally ask us to or offer to help with the Leave campaign.

  23. ” raised legitimate concerns which were derisively dismissed as whining”
    I wouldn’t disagree (actually I probably express it somewhat more strongly) and I was disappointed by the reaction among the EU heads after the Plebis-cide. For a brief moment it looked as if the message might have gotten through to them, the message that no nation wants to feel ‘borged’ or to have what they consider ‘legitimate’ concerns overruled or ignored. There was a brief period of a few weeks where I thought the EU elite might have finally understood but it died the death….and personally I wonder if that was the real reason Schulz went. I suspect he wanted to ‘loosen’ the ‘resistance is useless’ attitude of the Commission and ran into the brick wall of Juncker. But that’s just my uninformed gut feeling.

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