Lead, follow, or get out of the damned way

This is interesting:

The Royal College of GPs has rescinded Julia Hartley-Brewer’s invitation to speak at its 2019 conference after doctors complained about a tweet defending Enoch Powell.

Hundreds of people signed a petition calling for the cancellation over her “highly controversial views”.

Ms Hartley-Brewer said “Twitter offence archaeologists” were punishing her.

The RCGP said it “promotes inclusivity” and her views were “too much at odds” with its “core values”.

In his conversation with Jordan Peterson, Milo Yiannopoulos made a remark about this story:

Cambridge University has rescinded its invitation of a visiting fellowship to an academic whose views on gender have been condemned by critics.

University of Toronto psychology professor Dr Jordan Peterson had planned to be with Cambridge’s Faculty of Divinity for two months in autumn.

But on Wednesday the university took the invitation back after a review.

A university spokeswoman said: “We can confirm that Jordan Peterson requested a visiting fellowship, and an initial offer has been rescinded after a further review.

“[Cambridge] is an inclusive environment and we expect all our staff and visitors to uphold our principles. There is no place here for anyone who cannot.”

In a statement to the Guardian, the university’s students’ union said: “We are relieved to hear that Jordan Peterson’s request for a visiting fellowship to Cambridge’s faculty of divinity has been rescinded following further review.

“It is a political act to associate the University with an academic’s work through offers which legitimise figures such as Peterson.”

Yiannopoulos rather bluntly said that Peterson had set himself up for this by putting himself out there as a dissident while still wanting to take part in polite society. Milo contrasted Peterson with himself (who else?) who accepted some time ago he was not welcome in polite society so refuses to play on their terms. I thought it was a good point, one Peterson had no response to. I expect this is because Peterson doesn’t consider himself a dissident, thinking himself a moderate centrist who only upsets hard-left snowflakes. The problem is the institutions have lurched so far to the left, and so embraced lunatic progressive ideology (or proven themselves utterly spineless in the face of an SJW mob), that Peterson sits out there with Mussolini as far as they’re concerned.

The same thing has happened with Julia Hartley-Brewer. She wants to be considered a moderate conservative, someone who can hold right wing views but still participate in polite society and be invited to speak at prestigious institutions. She’s not yet understood that in this environment you can’t do both: if you want to swan around people with letters after their name giving talks in old buildings, you’d better adopt progressive ideology wholesale or you’ll find yourself on the end of a humiliating rejection. That she didn’t see this coming speaks volumes for her ability to gauge the current political climate, and no amount of bleating in The Spectator will change that.

Milo pointed out in the podcast that when he got picked off, conservatives said nothing. They then said nothing when Alex Jones and Sargon of Akkad got taken down. If prominent right wingers said anything at all, it was to punch right – as Ben Shapiro habitually does. As I’ve said before, those who consider themselves moderate conservatives police the boundaries of right wing political discourse tightly, afraid of being outflanked by proper conservatives and desperate to retain the lucrative label as an “acceptable” right winger who gets invited onto talk shows. This is why Hartley-Brewer fell over herself to condemn Trump on Twitter last April: she thought it would win her points among her enemies and prove she wasn’t a nasty right winger like that Robinson chap. She was wrong, and what she and other conservatives should have been doing is closing ranks against their enemies on the left, not sucking up to them in the hope the mob won’t stop them getting Establishment favours.

Milo warned Peterson in his podcast that thanks to the disunity and lack of courage on the right, the mob will pick them all off, one by one, including Peterson. He reckoned that Peterson has been allowed to build himself up only because his inevitable fall at the hands of the left wing mob will be that much harder. His point was that Peterson and others have no idea of the battle they are in, and that he should snap out of it if he wishes to save himself a grisly fate. I think he might have been onto something, and even if his predictions are wrong he is correct that conservatives need to start thinking and acting like dissidents, not people desperate to be accepted into institutions which are unrecognisable from their former glories save the buildings. Another example of this muddled, unserious thinking popped up this morning from the normally sensible Eric Weinstein:


The IDW refers to the Intellectual Dark Web, a term used to describe a bunch of moderate academics, commentators, and thinkers who have set themselves up as an antidote to progressive lunacy. Their movement, if that’s what you’d call it, has already suffered a casualty as some of them turned on David Rubin for having Lauren Southern on his podcast, Southern of course being the sort of right winger “acceptable conservatives” consider beyond the pale. Now with Weinstein you’ve got another supposed voice of reason publicly dressing down one of his colleagues for the heinous crime of interviewing the elected president of Hungary. These people are not serious, whereas the left, despite their lunacy, are.

Little wonder the right has lost so badly, and continues to lose. I don’t know who will wrest control of western civilisation back from the Cultural Marxists who currently run it root and branch, but I’m confident it won’t be the “moderate” right wingers who still haven’t understood the nature of the fight they’re in. If I were to guess, it’ll be those who understand the battlefield, refuse to play the game on the left’s terms, and don’t set themselves up for humiliating rejections by trying to ingratiate themselves with those who despise them. They might also be quite unpleasant, but winning ugly is probably the only option left at this point.

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16 thoughts on “Lead, follow, or get out of the damned way

  1. That Cathy Young Quillette piece…oof.

    I was never a huge fan of Cathy but you take your allies where you get them, you know? Well, I guess she apparently doesn’t know that. Fucking purity tests for a big-tent movement made up of lame but harmless tweed jacket professor types? I’m no Sam Harris fan either but to complain about a leftist intellectual engaging with the left in good faith is ridiculous, given the ostensible goal of more speech and debate rather than poo-flinging and blacklisting. Her complaints about Rubin are doubly stupid since the guy engages EVERYBODY in good faith – to a fault. To guilt-by-association Rubin with the wrongthinkers that Cathy Young happens to dislike means she’s no intellectual at all, and my limited bandwidth will never again be wasted by her thoughts.

  2. “Milo warned Peterson in his podcast that thanks to the disunity and lack of courage on the right, the mob will pick them all off, one by one, including Peterson. He reckoned that Peterson has been allowed to build himself up only because his inevitable fall at the hands of the left wing mob will be that much harder. His point was that Peterson and others have no idea of the battle they are in, and that he should snap out of it if he wishes to save himself a grisly fate.”

    I don’t think the right is going to lose.What’s going on is bigger than a few men and more about technology. Anyone can put a camera on a tripod and reach millions. It profoundly changes what ideas get out there. If Peterson fails, someone else will be there.

    What I don’t really understand is why people care about getting approval of these organisations that are heading for redundancy. e-learning, reading books is just a lot cheaper than classroom teaching and the latter is rising in cost. And many of the degrees aren’t really worth much. No-one cares if you have a film studies degrees. Go out with your iPhone and make a load of movies.

  3. I don’t know about tactics. I’m still in a state of constant mild shock regarding the depth of the problem. The Royal College of GP’s. That sounds like an august, sensible organisation. Cambridge University. Is there nobody there who has the balls to stand against this type of nonsense? My wife is a priest in the C of E. A couple of years ago I met and had lengthy conversations with a very senior and respected cleric – a household name. A really nice bloke, incredibly intelligent and aware. But, get him onto politics, and it was like talking to some priggish virtue-signaller from your local sixth form. It’s the same throughout much of the C of E, with people falling over themselves to demonstrate wokeness over some specious nonsense to do with identity groups.

    I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the Queen starting tweeting messages in support of Sadiq Khan, or used her Christmas speech to address the rights of trannies or illegal migrants. Where are the sensible and brave people? Many of the ordinary, elderly middle class people I know are similarly infected.

    I think there are two possible outcomes. One is suggested in Tim’s piece; the sensible people are biding their time, and when provoked enough, there is going to be big trouble. But that normally means violence or the threat thereof, and I can’t see anyone risking life and limb for traditional liberal academic and cultural values. Those with the wherewithal to dominate by force have never been all that interested in those things.

    The second is alluded to by Bloke on M4 above. Maybe these august bodies have been utterly superseded, such that nobody cares what wankers at Cambridge and in Doctors’ talking-clubs feel about anything. The cynical mockery and bullshit “critiques” unleashed by the left to get them into power will be turned against the left themselves. A population that has been taught to be critical are not going to re-learn deference just because it is enjoined by people who can quote Habermas or use woke language.

  4. That BBC article is a mess. It wasn’t Cambridge University, but the Divinity School. It’s a long story going back to the Middle Ages, when the university was founded, but the Div School has rights and privileges all its own.

    It’s all the more ironic (and depressing) that it was the Cambridge University Divinity School that certified the qualifications of Roger Scruton’s samizdat university in communist Czechoslovakia when no other university would touch it. They could do that because of their peculiar status within the university.

    Julia Hartley-Brewer insists she isn’t a conservative, but a leftie. The thing is, she’s not a member of what Michael Malice calls the evangelical left, which makes her an apostate.

    BTW, Malice’s new book, The New Right, is very good and well worth reading. Plus, it’s really quite funny.

  5. The medics are pretty socialist these days. Remember the unprecedented BMA junior doctors committee strike of 2016? It turned out to be led by a bunch of socialist activists who had taken over the committee.

    https://www.youthdebates.org/t/fact-british-medical-association-is-full-of-hard-left-corbyn-supporters/106094

    (No endorsement of the website, just provides a handy list of their backgrounds)

    Those strikes were quite well-supported initially, at least among those medics who bothered to vote. I don’t doubt there were some grievances. But they crashed and burned when they overplayed their hand and tried for 5 day strikes with 12 days notice. Apparently the membership started protesting at the extremism, and I think the BMA were getting worried and put some pressure on too. Especially because the government had already agreed the contract with the BMA prior to all this.

    Most medics exist in a socialist system now, so the incentives often lean that way. Before the NHS it was very much the opposite – that was why Bevan had to ‘stuff their mouth with gold’ to get the nationalisation through in the first place

  6. Losing this long-term struggle with the left will be far more unpleasant than literally any flavour of right wing dissident victory. Heck, the gains the left have made to this date have already forced conditions upon us which are intolerable and will justify the harshest of responses once power shifts hands.

    The real insanity of the left is how they are making even milquetoast figures of the centre-right into villains. Literally half of the nation (whether you’re in Britain or the US) is a nazi to these people. I don’t think it’s a good idea, from their perspective, to consolidate the enemy which they are going to have to face.

    Almost as difficult to understand is why the right isn’t accepting the lines that have been drawn for them and uniting to push back against this. Too many ‘moderates’ need to get past their fears of what the so-called far right might do and take a good hard look at what the left have done. Refer back to my first paragraph.

  7. I said something about this recently over at Worstall’s place.

    The parallels with 1930’s Germany are quite clear.

    The ‘left’ and other people are engaging in amoral, indecent, decadent behaviour. Encouraging such things as men pretending to be women, homosexual behaviour and other errant nonsense.
    Add on top that economic times are quite hard for a lot of people as they were then and the parallels become very stark.

    Eventually the normal people and those on the right will get fed up and push back. The further it has been pushed one way, the harder and more violent the return will be.
    Watch Cabaret (1969). At first it is just the odd person who joins the group which states its desire to return to normal behaviour. Towards the end, it is a decent proportion of the population standing and singing ‘Tomorrow belongs to me’.
    We are approaching dark times (unless the left calm it down a bit – lol as if they would). Buckle up.

  8. “”…The real insanity of the left is how they are making even milquetoast figures of the centre-right into villains. Literally half of the nation (whether you’re in Britain or the US) is a nazi to these people…””

    They made entire German nation a nazi 80 years ago and won. Why not use the battle proven tactics? Half of the nation is Nazi and the other half stopping Nazis. The left will invent soon gas chambers in the brexiteers and trumpsters houses.

    I´ve heard that in the eve of 75th years of Normandy landing, brave anti Nazi warriors come now with boats from France, ready to liberate UK from Nazism in the name of Allah Almighty.

  9. If it’s any chance consolation the decision to de platform JHB got a real slagging in the comments of Pulse magazine, most of them from free speech first principles.

  10. Julia Hartley-Brewer was on iirc Frankie Boyle or some other Lefty BBC show recently and lost my support as she spewed anti-Trump, anti-TR, anti-Farage etc bile.

    Looks like she’s doing a Hislop; but “She is wrong, and what she and other conservatives should be doing is closing ranks against their enemies on the left, not sucking up to them”

    “If I were to guess, it’ll be those who understand the battlefield, refuse to play the game on the left’s terms, and don’t set themselves up for humiliating rejections by trying to ingratiate themselves with those who despise them. They might also be quite unpleasant, but winning ugly is probably the only option left at this point.”

    Agree. Re Shapiro, there is good vid on YT where he explains Left debate tactics so you don’t fall for them: rabbit-hole, projection, circular. Lefty Graculus on arrse repeatedly uses them all

    .

    I don’t like Mondays, back to work for Detective Shay Monyou the BBC virtue cop

    The case of: Ian Hislop

    😛

  11. I don’t know who will wrest control of western civilisation back from the Cultural Marxists who currently run it root and branch

    Starship Troopers.

  12. Conservatives have a foolish craving for respectability, yet allow the left to set the terms of respectability. Milo is right about the need to stop turning on one another.
    Cathy Young is a moral coward (as for Ben Shapiro…). Lauren Southern is a clever and brave young woman who ought to be applauded for her willingness to go into danger to do actual journalism, such as in her film Borderless. The film is subtle and nuanced, which contrasts with the pap served up elsewhere.

  13. I was never a huge fan of Cathy but you take your allies where you get them, you know? Well, I guess she apparently doesn’t know that.

    Cathy Young is sound on a handful of issues but otherwise she’s someone desperate to remain part of the Establishment, hence her Never Trump obsession and frequent retweeting of morons like Tom Nichols. This tweet made me laugh:

  14. “Lauren Southern is a clever and brave young woman who ought to be applauded for her willingness to go into danger to do actual journalism, such as in her film Borderless. The film is subtle and nuanced, which contrasts with the pap served up elsewhere.”

    I heard her on Rogan/Rubin or maybe Dam Harris and was impressed and made a mental note to find out more and forgot. Maybe this time it will stick.

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