Label Weiss

I’m currently halfway through listening to the recent Joe Rogan podcast with Bari Weiss, a journalist at the New York Times. I don’t think I need to wait until the end to conclude she’s dumber than a wet breeze block.

She says on the podcast that she doesn’t consider herself white but Jewish, despite her being paler than a male feminist whose hard-drive’s been seized by police. This isn’t surprising. If you want to join the ranks of the liberal left, it’s best you identify as something other than white. Weiss has simply looked at the options in front of her and decided it’s best to call herself Jewish rather than white. This is an American thing: I can’t imagine too many British Jews doing this.

She also says she was inspired by the first Women’s March. This was a gathering of the wealthiest, most privileged, and well-kept women outside of royalty in the history of mankind, and there were 200,000 of them. Their excuse for marching was that they were suffering under the yoke of an intensely patriarchal society, and the election of Donald Trump, who made remarks several years before they didn’t like, was the final straw. What they were really doing was protesting the results of an election that didn’t go their way and subscribing to an alternate vision of reality because their own lives are spiritually empty. Like a small boy lying in a ditch with a stick thinking he’s fending off a battalion of invading Germans, these women fantasised about a world where they were important and did something meaningful. Bari Weiss was part of this.

She then says how dismayed she is at the realisation that the Women’s March is a hotbed of anti-semitism, fronted by people who turn up in photos standing next to Louis Farrakhan. She goes on to explain how poisonously divisive antisemitism is, and how it is based on lies and distortions which nobody seems interested in correcting. Which is funny, because she’s describing exactly how I felt about the Women’s March. It seems to me Weiss is happy to play identity politics by disavowing her skin colour and joining in a 200,000 strong mob to denounce men, but when others do the same and it’s her tribe under attack, she doesn’t like it. It’s clear she doesn’t understand that when you make tribalism and political identity the basis of your existence, you’re likely to run into conflicts with other tribes. At one point (1h:07m) she actually describes newly-anointed congresswoman Ilhan Omar as an “incredible American dream story” because she’s a refugee from Somalia, is a mother, and wears a hijab so “obviously” she wants to cheer her. Yet she’s dismayed to discover not only does Omar not like Jews very much but she’s happy to say so in public. What was she expecting, exactly?

What will it take for it to dawn on people like Weiss that it is not white American men she needs to worry about but people who really don’t like Jews, many of whom have no business being in the United States, let alone holding office? What is Weiss’ position on immigration, do you think? As various dissident right voices have said, at some point American Jews are going to have to decide whether they want to join the ranks of white deplorables or continue to stoke the fires of identity politics which enable those who truly detest them.


64 thoughts on “Label Weiss

  1. “There is a fair bit of antisemitism among white American men, but 1) they tend not to be anyone of importance and 2) they’ve always been around. What’s changing is America is 1) importing far more dangerous and rabid antisemites and 2) they are appearing in prominent positions.”

    Tim, I have to question where the hell you’re getting this, and what you base it on. The US is a country of over three hundred million people, and while I’ve heard about white male anti-semites in the media and popular imagination, I’ve never actually encountered that many. The prevalence of anti-semitism you see in the “white American male” may be more an artifact of the limited numbers you’ve run into, and where they come from. The average American has no real clue about Jews, or Jewishness–The number of times I’ve had to explain to folks about Israel being a Jewish-majority state is astounding.

    The attitude you’re describing may be prevalent in the upper classes on the East coast, or in the unreconstructed Deep South, but everywhere else in the country? Jewishness is mostly an irrelevancy. Nobody even knows what a Jew is, or cares–It’s just another weird little sect, like the Seventh Day Adventists, or something.

    I’m never going to forget hearing a Jewish guy go on and on and on about how he was being oppressed for his Jewishness by his boss, and how he was going to go to the equal rights people about the incident he was being fired over.

    His boss pretty much put an end to it by asking “Uh… What’s a Jew, anyway…? I don’t get that… I never knew you were one, and I don’t know anything about them… Why would I care? All I care about is that you lost us our biggest client by screwing up their job…”.

    Actual average American white males not only don’t care about Jews and Jewishness, they don’t know a damn thing about them, either. It’s a non-issue out in the working classes, about like discussing racial prejudice against African-American blacks among the Baffin Island native population. Average white male in America probably doesn’t know any Jews personally, know anything about them, or possesses the slightest animosity for any reason. We built a house a few years back for an Israeli veterinarian, and out of the entire set of people working on that job, probably about thirty people over the time it took, I was the only one who even had a clue what the word “Jew” means or implies.

    Of course, though, all those people are going to be typified as “anti-semite” by some Jews and leftists, because “White American Male”. Most of them, in actuality? Couldn’t tell you what a Jew was, or what one does that’s worth being prejudiced over.

    Which is not to say that there aren’t pockets of virulent anti-semitism, either–It’s just not at all as prevalent as your construction of “…a fair bit…” would imply. It’s rare enough that most people think it’s extremely bizarre to encounter, and have no idea what the hell it is when they hear or see it.

  2. @Kirk

    That is my take on it as well, I think its a beat up and not many of us interact with Jews or actually care if they are, it’s just an irrelevance, like that boss you mentioned that sacked one of them. As for antisemites wherever the hell they are, there would be even less of them, and yes once again I have never met any including when I lived in Greenwich Village and Brooklyn, nor in the UK including London or anywhere in Australia where 1 in 200 people might identify as being Jewish.

    I was watching some coverage of the Brexit fiasco in the British parliament and the PM in her rebuttal of the leader of the opposition started of by accusing him of being an antisemite, absolute total madness that adult political leaders are reduced to this in my books.

    And telling school yard jokes about them being tight with money is not antisemitic either.

  3. @Bardon on January 27, 2019 at 2:56 pm

    I was brought up Roman Catholic

    Ever lived in NI? Did you manage to hide RC?

    Elgar’s Nimrod – I find it patriotic & inspiring. Also emotional when MPs failure and lack of courage involved. Major used it to inspire & fight when he was underdog in ’92

    Today’s MPs are like a group of hippies chanting “Peace Man”

  4. Free Trade

    Anyone prepared to post here?

    In particular:
    post-9057242 “….the widely discredited Prof. Patrick Minford…”

  5. “Ever lived in NI? Did you manage to hide RC?”

    No but I have visited there. I took my mother on a St Columbas trail for her eightieth birthday a few years ago. Although we went in the opposite direction to him, we started in the Mull of Kintyre and got a speedboat across from Campbelltown to Ballycastle. I hired my car from Derry Airport (the itinerary was done from Oz) and they drove it to Ballycastle to meet us, my first impression having been to Ireland numerous times was that it felt kind of normal there. The driver turned out to be RC and he knew that my mum and I were especially since he knew what our tour was about, he provided us a pretty good guided drive to Derry which was mostly about how many Brits were killed here in such a such bombing during the troubles, he did explain this in a kind of impartial and factual way.

    We based ourselves in Derry, fascinating city steeped in history and obviously remnants of sectarian division. Honestly in the places that we were going there was none of it, it was very tourist orientated and more about their colonial history as opposed to recent sectarianism, I was pleasantly surprised about the professional service and the non existent sectarian anything. Just so you know that when it comes to it I am very much of The Undertones side of things when it comes to which side I am taking. I can sing the Soldiers Song just as well I can the Sash.

    The air did feel nicer though as soon as we crossed the artificial border line when we drove up the Foyle to Moville and the likes. Belfast was interesting as well, done Crumlin Rd, the Wall, the Murlas, and Stoemont and I didn’t come up against anything questionable, and I went to the Free Derry, Bogside the Freed Derry museum as well as the spots along the holy trail of St Columba’s (naughty boy that he was) but you really wouldn’t expect to see the ugly side of sectarianism on a tourist trip with your elderly mum. It may have been different if I were drinking in pubs with the lads around closing time, but I would probably not have been drinking in the wrong places at that time as a kind of survival 101 thing.

    Interestingly enough two years ago at a work Christmas party I was in the adjacent bar minding my own business and two northern Irish blokes somehow knew I was RC and they wanted a piece of me in a big way, so there you go, I didn’t see it across the Ulster Plantation but I did in the opposite end of the world.

  6. “Today’s MPs are like a group of hippies chanting “Peace Man”

    Yes, but the action for change needs to start with the People, if they don’t rise and petition the Monarch (via the Barons), she will not be forced to act in unison with them against the legislature. The very sound constitution that you have available to you has created a system of government which includes the parliament, the monarch and the judiciary, formulated such that they each can keep a check and limit the power of one another within these three separate pillars of government. Remembering that it was also devised to quash any notion of the Divine Right of Kings and could similarly be used to hold a radical Monarch to account.

    In your example, the People must first rise and seek redress through the Monarch, the Queen has a binding contract with the People to act in accordance with their inalienable rights (Oath) and in this case she must then act in unison with the People and hold the Parliament to account. This is what the system was set up to do and it is structurally perfect as John Adams has said many times and particularly when he modeled the American one on it.

    So, you will not see change unless the People rise form their slumber and demand that the Monarch seek redress and withdraw Royal Assent to any legislation that gives jurisdiction to any foreign state, which on face value is an act of treason against the People and certainly in contravention of the Bill of Rights.

    It is the People that have sovereignty not the system of government.

    The system is there, but perhaps it won’t be implemented. The executive with their statutory law will produce all kinds of tricks and fakery to persuade the People otherwise.

  7. Tim, I have to question where the hell you’re getting this, and what you base it on.

    The comments sections on alt-right blogs and from what I’ve seen of Gab, mainly. Note I’m merely pointing out these people exist, not that they are found everywhere nor that they are representative of the average American.

  8. “The comments sections on alt-right blogs and from what I’ve seen of Gab, mainly. Note I’m merely pointing out these people exist, not that they are found everywhere nor that they are representative of the average American.”

    I’d be cautious as hell making extrapolations in any direction, based on that set of sources. I’m pretty sure that there are a bunch of astroturf troll types posting as though they were right wing, or whatever that construct “alt-right” means. You can make some horrendous mistakes in judgement by going off of what comes out of US media and the Hollywood world of depravity–The view foreigners get of the US based on what our “intellectual elite” exports as entertainment isn’t an accurate one, and it’s played a huge role in fooling a lot of Americans, as well.

    Just like with racial prejudice, most anti-semites are leftish in viewpoint–I don’t know of any actual bona fide Republicans that I’ve known who were anti-semitic, but I can name dozens of avowed Democrats who’ve done things and made statements in support of anti-semitism over the years. Which, when you think about it, is strange as hell–I know zero practicing Jews who are Republican Party members, and a lot of Jews who are Democrats, but the Jews are convinced that Republicans are out to get them, along with most of the people they view as dangerous rednecks. It’s a strange phenomenon–Somehow, the party that led the Secession, embraced slavery, and founded the KKK is seen as the embracing, non-racist one, while the party that led the fight against slavery and actually voted in majority for the Civil Rights acts is the racist one. Not to mention that the majority of the Jim Crow laws were brought in by Democrats in the North, and that the sainted Woodrow Wilson, icon of the Democratic Party, was the guy who actually fired most of the black Federal employees, and who segregated the military and other Federal agencies.

    What is seen in the news in this country is very often not the actual reality of what has been going on, and that goes back to the 19th Century.

  9. I’d be cautious as hell making extrapolations in any direction, based on that set of sources.

    Indeed, but I don’t think a discussion on antisemitism in the US is worth much if it’s not acknowledged that on most alt-right blogs and forums within two comments someone is inevitably ranting about the Jews. That the blogs’ authors take time out to complain about this suggests it’s a genuine phenomenon.

  10. Indeed, but I don’t think a discussion on antisemitism in the US is worth much if it’s not acknowledged that on most alt-right blogs and forums within two comments someone is inevitably ranting about the Jews. That the blogs’ authors take time out to complain about this suggests it’s a genuine phenomenon.

    I think it’s worth repeating and reinforcing the point I make above: I don’t think that all of what you’re seeing and extrapolating from is at all accurate, and I strongly believe that a lot of that stuff is false-flag crap being posted by actual leftist and others on the Democrat side. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if there isn’t some group out there working for someone to discredit everything even vaguely non-Democrat, the way they did the Tea Party movement.

    In other words, I don’t think you can trust anything you might read from such sources, especially as to provenance. Sure, someone might have written that stuff, and said they were conservative and/or “alt-right”, but the question needs to be asked “Are they really what they say they are…?”.

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: You can’t trust anything you see in print, or anything people say. You have to watch what they do at the polls, and their actions. Nothing else can tell you–And, I’ll politely point out that there’s not a hell of a lot of displayed anti-semitism from the right side of things, in actions or actual voting.

  11. +1 what Kirk just said. There’s also a good number of moby’s out there that get taken way too seriously. Especially anyone who says that they were for a wall but only because Trump said Mexico would pay for it. Keep hearing “conservative” talk radio hosts over here taking such comments from callers seriously.

  12. @Bardon on January 28, 2019 at 2:55 am

    Re: NI

    I’d feel safer & more welcome in Belfast than Glasgow or London; safer & more welcome in NI than Scotland or Wales.

  13. @Kirk on January 28, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    I strongly believe that a lot of that stuff is false-flag crap being posted by actual leftist and others on the Democrat side

    You mean Antifa? Antifa who are looting in Paris, but Yellow Vest blamed – which is Antifa’s objective. However, dumb Antifa “tag” the shops, but msm ignore.

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