Label Weiss

I’m currently halfway through listening to the recent Joe Rogan podcast with Bari Weiss, a journalist at the New York Times. I don’t think I need to wait until the end to conclude she’s dumber than a wet breeze block.

She says on the podcast that she doesn’t consider herself white but Jewish, despite her being paler than a male feminist whose hard-drive’s been seized by police. This isn’t surprising. If you want to join the ranks of the liberal left, it’s best you identify as something other than white. Weiss has simply looked at the options in front of her and decided it’s best to call herself Jewish rather than white. This is an American thing: I can’t imagine too many British Jews doing this.

She also says she was inspired by the first Women’s March. This was a gathering of the wealthiest, most privileged, and well-kept women outside of royalty in the history of mankind, and there were 200,000 of them. Their excuse for marching was that they were suffering under the yoke of an intensely patriarchal society, and the election of Donald Trump, who made remarks several years before they didn’t like, was the final straw. What they were really doing was protesting the results of an election that didn’t go their way and subscribing to an alternate vision of reality because their own lives are spiritually empty. Like a small boy lying in a ditch with a stick thinking he’s fending off a battalion of invading Germans, these women fantasised about a world where they were important and did something meaningful. Bari Weiss was part of this.

She then says how dismayed she is at the realisation that the Women’s March is a hotbed of anti-semitism, fronted by people who turn up in photos standing next to Louis Farrakhan. She goes on to explain how poisonously divisive antisemitism is, and how it is based on lies and distortions which nobody seems interested in correcting. Which is funny, because she’s describing exactly how I felt about the Women’s March. It seems to me Weiss is happy to play identity politics by disavowing her skin colour and joining in a 200,000 strong mob to denounce men, but when others do the same and it’s her tribe under attack, she doesn’t like it. It’s clear she doesn’t understand that when you make tribalism and political identity the basis of your existence, you’re likely to run into conflicts with other tribes. At one point (1h:07m) she actually describes newly-anointed congresswoman Ilhan Omar as an “incredible American dream story” because she’s a refugee from Somalia, is a mother, and wears a hijab so “obviously” she wants to cheer her. Yet she’s dismayed to discover not only does Omar not like Jews very much but she’s happy to say so in public. What was she expecting, exactly?

What will it take for it to dawn on people like Weiss that it is not white American men she needs to worry about but people who really don’t like Jews, many of whom have no business being in the United States, let alone holding office? What is Weiss’ position on immigration, do you think? As various dissident right voices have said, at some point American Jews are going to have to decide whether they want to join the ranks of white deplorables or continue to stoke the fires of identity politics which enable those who truly detest them.

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64 thoughts on “Label Weiss

  1. It would be an easy choice to somebody who put a whole 5 minutes thought into it. Outside of stormfront fans most white people don’t care much about Jewish people unless Israel is being given its usual kicking in the press, the other lot want to kill Jews in as many fun ways as Allah allows….which side poses the most danger? hmmmmm let me think.

  2. Outside of stormfront fans most white people don’t care much about Jewish people unless Israel is being given its usual kicking in the press

    There is a fair bit of antisemitism among white American men, but 1) they tend not to be anyone of importance and 2) they’ve always been around. What’s changing is America is 1) importing far more dangerous and rabid antisemites and 2) they are appearing in prominent positions.

  3. The reality is that they fucking hate her because she is white, but its worse for her because she represents the worst kind of white privilege, the real evil moneyed type.

    This is actually quite funny to watch.

  4. I’ve long been convinced that identity politics can never be anything other than divisive, because at its core is an obsession with affirming special characteristics supposedly conferred by whatever identity label someone places upon themselves, as opposed to addressing material conditions and actions that have negative consequences on real people. I’m also convinced that identity politics is riddled with charlatanry; it belongs to the commercial perpetual grievance industry of professional grievance mongers and professional SJW types, as opposed to the legitimate, authentic civil rights movement (although I can well believe people in the former may have begun in the latter before it became their professional living).

  5. MJW, Indeed. All I ever hear from these people is that they want equality but woe betide anyone who treats them as an equal. What they really want is privileged status.

  6. I’m surprised you made it halfway through… I gave it about 10 minutes then self-flagellated for 20 minutes in atonement for that.

  7. Tim, perhaps I should have included quite a few zman commenters and readers of takimag, over here its the vibrancy that we have genuine problems with. I’m fine with Israeli as it helps a number of our real enemies shuffle off to meet Allah on a weekly basis which always brings a smile to my face.

  8. perhaps I should have included quite a few zman commenters and readers of takimah

    Unfortunately that’s true.

    I’m fine with Israeli as it helps a number of our real enemies shuffle off to meet Allah on a weekly basis which always brings a smile to my face.

    I’m fine with Israel too. Something I’ve come to realise is it’s silly to treat the following groups as in any way interchangeable:

    1) Israelis
    2) American Jews
    3) British Jews

    They’re completely different people.

  9. I just looked at the spot on the clip that Tim mentioned when she was banging on about anti-Semitism and then I ended up trying to find out about the march and the new anti-Semitic row that seems to have flared up.

    Jesus Christ I now know that parallel universes exist and I am living in another one compared to the hoopla over that march. Some sheila is banging on about another one slagging off someone not because she was white, my assumption here is that in this case that would have been okay, but no its because she was a Jew and she got all da monay I am tellin ya! Then some other lady I don’t really know who or what she is because you can’t see her as she appears to be holding the camera, and it might be the same march but anyhow it’s a recent women’s march in NYC so she grabbed a megaphone and started hijacking things and getting dragged away shouting what about the Jews I think in a supporting way, the black cops just ignore her. The only thing I can say is that I am all for this in a paradoxical way as we should be supporting and facilitating disunity in our enemy, even if we don’t, it looks to me like their very own subversive tactics are going to turn around and bite them on their own arse and undermine them at the end.

    As I have said before I really don’t get this new-found wave of anti-Semitism that everybody is complaining about, I just dont see it anywhere and can’t see how it has supposedly crept up and taken over in recent times and I think it’s a load of codswallop and will be shown to be in time.

    Throughout my life I have unnecessarily and willfully vilified blacks, gays, poms, jocks, taffs, paddies, catholics, protestants, yanks, chinks, pakis, indians, arabs, mosys, taswegians, kiwis and sheilas, but I must confess that I have never ever had a good crack at a jew, why, because there isn’t any. Okay there might be one or two somewhere and I haven’t been to Israeli either, but I honestly have never met any of them, lived next to them, mixed with them, worked with them, drunk with them, shagged any of them, fought them or helped them, so that’s zero contact and thus I have never had an opportunity present itself such that I could insult one of them, and I really doubt that most of the folk living in the countries that I have, have either.

  10. I think we should applaud Tim for his efforts at listening to such a podcast for an hour and more, and reporting it here. He must have a lot of stamina.

    I have a life to live and spending it watching people whine on about themselves and how they are *hurt* by others’ behaviour or attitudes in this way doesn’t seem to me what I want to do with my remaining time on earth.

    So why don’t we shout out “Three cheers, for Tim!” and continue to read and comment on his blog 😉

    Hip…hip…

  11. @Bardon until I moved to London I’d also never met a Jewish person myself. Weirdly there was some vice versa as a Jewish friend of mine, upon moving out of his Jewish area of London, went and bought a hotdog and was surprised to find out it contained pork.

  12. @Tim

    Label Weiss

    Does she greet you every morning, small and white? Clean and bright?

    @Bardon
    I must confess that I have never ever had a good crack at a jew

    [Arches back nonchalantly in corner, runs fingers through hair, applies lipstick]

    [muttering] I always knew he was an antisemite.

    😉
    /sarc
    etc.

    @Mal Reynolds
    went and bought a hotdog and was surprised to find out it contained pork.

    Um… serves him right for buying retail?
    Bardon, that one’s for you, to add to your collection. 🙂

    On a slightly more serious note, I think there’s a fair argument to be made that antisemitism is often inversely proportional to the actual proportion of real-live Jews, on the grounds that direct experience is often a counterweight to thinking solely in abstract qualities. The strongest piece of evidence is the Arab world, which has been Judenrein for some 50 years. Of course, this principle may be more true in countries which are dominated by a strong religious element, such as as the Arab world (Islam), medieval Europe (Christianity), or Britain today (Islam).

  13. @Bardon
    but I must confess that I have never ever had a good crack at a jew, why, because there isn’t any. Okay there might be one or two somewhere…

    “one” right here.

  14. Majority of Jews voting Lab/Dem never ceases to amaze me. Left are anti-Israel, anti-semite and pro RoP.

    Do Jews have a death wish?

  15. Tim

    1) Israelis
    2) American Jews
    3) British Jews

    They’re completely different people

    Completely accurate.

  16. @Fay – nice to meet you, digitally anyway.

    I was on a company relocation once in Melbourne and they rented a big grand house for me, although I still had to give the landlord the rent in cash and claim it back. He lived up the road a bit in a stunning joint and was obviously wealthy and he also owned a greeting card business that had pretty neat cards, my wife still buys his cards fifteen years later. He insisted in coming around personally to pick up the rent every month and my wife didn’t like him in the house, so I had to put a stop to it. We wondered if he was Jewish, is there a dead certain way that you can tell?

    Another time in Melbourne, I was discussing an owner of a company that was doing work for us in my office with a Ukrainian guy and he turned around and said to me that he suspected he was Jewish and when I asked why, he said that he looked Jewish. He didn’t to me but maybe I miss the signs, or can you tell by looking at someone if they are Jewish.

  17. I think you’ll find that British Jews (and Jews anywhere, really) see themselves as distinct from non-Jewish whites. Sure, they’re mainly a fair-skinned people, but race and ethnicity aren’t really about skin colour. Jews are a very tribal-minded, ethnocentric people. You must know this.

  18. @Bardon

    …can you tell by looking at someone if they are Jewish.

    Of course you can. All the men look like this and all the women look like this.

    😂✡✡😂

  19. @Bardon

    I just responded but my comment disappeared.

    Tim

    Did my comment to Bardon get eaten, can you tell? Thanks.

  20. @Mattrick

    I think you’ll find that British Jews (and Jews anywhere, really) see themselves as distinct from non-Jewish whites. Sure, they’re mainly a fair-skinned people, but race and ethnicity aren’t really about skin colour. Jews are a very tribal-minded, ethnocentric people. You must know this.

    True, except whites is redundant. Judaism is a race, no matter what colour/nationality the Jew is.

  21. @Fay, cheers anyway. I think that Tim’s current cash-flow pressure might have resulted in his paid soviet censors adopting a go slow position.

  22. I think you’ll find that British Jews (and Jews anywhere, really) see themselves as distinct from non-Jewish whites.

    I don’t know a lot of British Jews, but of those I do that doesn’t hold true. In most cases I’m actually surprised to find out they are Jewish. A Jewish family came to stay with me a couple of summers back and they were indistinguishable from any other Brits save perhaps for some dark, wiry hair.

  23. @Bardon

    Have you heard of “Jewdar”? Ashkenazi people (the majority of Jews in the UK) can generally identify each other pretty well in a room full of other pale-skinned Europeans. Sephardi Jews, particularly those from Asia/Middle East, might be more likely to have darker skin – but on that basis alone might be hard to tell apart from someone who is Lebanese or Iranian, say. And most of the racism that’s directed against Jews, even from European supremacist ethno-nationalist types, has essentially zero to do with skin colour.

    @Jonathan

    Not sure about your hypothesis. Jews formed a very large percentage of the population in the Pale of Settlement, for example, where they still encountered severe, often violent, mistreatment and discrimination.

  24. You listened to over an hour of that shit?
    I’m in awe of your capacity & tolerance.

    I thought the name was familiar, she the ditz who had a couple of weeks visiting friends in a gated compound in Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs over the Christmas New Year holidays, and in her capacity as newfound expert on Australia wrote a New York Times column about….. Australia.

    It seems the entire country is perpetually on holidays, (except the servants) and she writes about how Australians all do nothing but laze on the beach and/or sip daiquiris by the pool in a stupor of affluence.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/opinion/australians-have-more-fun.html?smid=fb-augroup&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR1-WqxJY-Rf6buZci-JrPLEm8NigMEZJHzIF0KAByHYFwlHhLIuLhwflFU

  25. You listened to over an hour of that shit?
    I’m in awe of your capacity & tolerance.

    I thought the name was familiar, she’s lightweight airheaded ditz who had a couple of weeks visiting friends at swish digs in Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs over the Christmas New Year holidays. This made her an expert on all facets of Australia, so in this knowledgeable new capacity wrote a New York Times column.

    It seems the entire country is perpetually on holidays, (except the servants of course) and she writes about how Australians all do nothing but laze on the beach and/or sip daiquiris by the pool in a stupor of affluence.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/opinion/australians-have-more-fun.html?smid=fb-augroup&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR1-WqxJY-Rf6buZci-JrPLEm8NigMEZJHzIF0KAByHYFwlHhLIuLhwflFU

  26. This made her an expert on all facets of Australia, so in this knowledgeable new capacity wrote a New York Times column.

    Yeah, she started waxing lyrical about Australia in the podcast and I wondered whether she’d visited the same country I had. I didn’t realise her ignorance could be made into an entire article.

  27. The funniest — well actually, scariest — thing is that the left now consider Bari Weiss to be a beyond-the-pale far-right fascist because she was silly enough to question some of the modern left’s sacred beliefs.

  28. Thanks for the heads-up, I’m now listening that podcast as I do my office work.

    Funniest part (so far); “Barry” is her name in the closed captioning, presumably given to her by the outsourced contractor in Mumbai engaged to caption the Youtube version I’m watching/listening to.

  29. ..the left now consider Bari Weiss to be a beyond-the-pale far-right fascist because she was silly enough to question some of the modern left’s sacred beliefs.

    Aaaaah, so that’s why she’s been unpersonned as a conservative on wikipedia.

  30. @Johathan

    I imagine this has been studied extensively by people with lots of time and lots of data, but if I have a feeling there’s something in your theory that it’s easy to be prejudiced against people you’ve never met and therefore don’t see past the stereotypes you’re presented with, particularly if it stops you seeing the heterogeneity that exists in that group (“they’re all the same as each other”, and by that we think “the same as what we get told about them”). And to be fair, there can be a high proportion of people living near you but if they’re in their shtetl or ghetto (or their own council housing estate on the other side of the main road, in the modern allegory) you may not be interacting with them enough for the prejudices not to fester.

    But regardless of what the actual population proportion is, it seems there can also be waves of hatred or inflamed tensions. Perhaps they can be triggered by changes to population proportion, as a sort of reaction to what is seen as an influx or invasion (the East End of London had outbreaks of violent anti-semitism in the early half of the 20th century, following the demographic changes around the turn of the century as Jews came here to escape the Pale – maybe not so different to waves of anti-Irish violence in London in the previous centuries) or to political triggers (your example of anti-semitism in the Muslim world stemming from the Israel/Palestine issue is a good one) or disputes about inter-group resource allocation or boundary-setting in terms of geography, justice or relationships (which might produce particular, sudden flashpoints underlaid by longer-term changes to demography or group power/identity/assertiveness; iirc this was a major factor in kicking off the early 2000s White-Asian riots in various towns of Lancashire/West Yorkshire and the Caribbean-Asian riot in Lozells).

    No doubt someone out there has done a proper analysis of all this, perhaps from a Systems Theory perspective.

  31. @Fay on January 26, 2019 at 3:05 am

    One link allowed in post. More and it goes to moderation and awaits Tim’s approval

    imo OTT, Tim W allows two which is too few too.

  32. @Pcar – “The Queen must either prorogue or dissolve this parliament It has no legitimacy”

    Yes your Monarch clearly broke her Coronation Oath by not refusing to give Royal Assent to legislation that was unconstitutional in that it granted jurisdiction to a foreign state via the various European treaties. This is contrary to the Declaration of Rights and Bill of Rights which the Monarch is bound to uphold and has accepted in taking the Crown in accordance with the Coronation Oath, her contract she is bound to on behalf of the People. The People now have the right of redress, they should firstly petition the Monarch via the Barons, the People also have the right to bear arms and to use lethal force if necessary in their defence. But it is up to the People to act first in petitioning the Crown. If the People and the Crown don’t unite and seek redress then we have the situation best described by John Adams the great admirer and American modeler of the British Constitution warned us about many years ago:

    “[executive power] will corrupt the legislature as necessarily as rust corrupts iron … and when the legislature is corrupted, the people are undone.”

    Quite an apt soundtrack to that clip, Elgar is brilliant and Nimrod is one of my all time favourite pieces, I listen to it when the shit hits the fan or I am trying to motivate myself towards a certain outcome that seems unrealistic at the time.

    This performance of Nimrod linked below is definitely worthwhile viewing for anyone that appreciates Elgar.

    Elgar – Nimrod (from “Enigma Variations”)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUgoBb8m1eE

  33. @Pcar

    “One link allowed in post. More and it goes to moderation and awaits Tim’s approval”

    Aha! Many thanks for the info.

  34. Tim:

    In most cases I’m actually surprised to find out they are Jewish.

    Yes, unless you meet an obviously Orthodox Jew, we mostly “look” like anyone else. And behave that way also. People who don’t know I’m Jewish express a level of surprise if/when they find out. This, however, does not negate the fact that Jews do think of themselves as distinct and belonging to a “tribe”. That’s not to say that we think we are better than, or superior to, others. We have collective memory, and yes we can (mostly) identify each other.

  35. “People who don’t know I’m Jewish express a level of surprise if/when they find out”

    Does this occur when they accidentally walk into your bedroom and catch you admiring your gold collection before you had a chance to put it back under the floorboards for safekeeping?

    Or is there another common way that they find out like say you revealing your dark wiry hair?

  36. @Bardon

    but I honestly have never met any of them, lived next to them, mixed with them, worked with them, drunk with them, shagged any of them, fought them or helped them, so that’s zero contact and thus I have never had an opportunity present itself such that I could insult one of them,

    But now you have it seems.

    Does this occur when they accidentally walk into your bedroom and catch you admiring your gold collection before you had a chance to put it back under the floorboards for safekeeping?

    Or is there another common way that they find out like say you revealing your dark wiry hair?

    You are, as they say, a piece of work.

  37. “But now you have it seems.”

    At least you will always know in your heart of hearts that you were my first.

    Are you sure that they didn’t really know all along what with you having your drop dead gorgeous movie star looks and enchanting eyes?

    “You are, as they say, a piece of work.”

    I don’t normally talk about my mother, but when she was asked to best describe me she said I was a perfect mix of Jerry Seinfield and Woody Allen.

    I guess its not your fault which mans holy book they put on you at birth, but you should thank your lucky stars that you weren’t born of a scouscer.

    On a more usurious note the pundits are getting a bit bullish on the price of gold these days, what say you?

  38. This inability to discern who is Jewish due to never having met one in the flesh is amusing to me as I have almost the opposite situation. Growing up in South Florida, Jews were as common as Episcopalians. As a child I knew quite a few and didn’t think much at all about the difference. I did understand that they wore beanie caps to church, which they attended on Saturday instead of Sunday but that was about it. My best friend, who moved away when we were five but with whom we would visit about once a year or so at Disney World or by spending a week at each other’s homes on alternating summer breaks, was half Jewish (father). His mother was a Primitive Baptist from Texas. How people could get so worked up over the Jews was an amusing absurdity to me. In college it seemed even more absurd, though the Jewish kids at that age seemed to be clumping together more. A couple of Jewish kids lived across the hall from me and I used to get along great with one of them. We both had reasons to dispise our RA, though his was a bit more subtle. So one thing we liked to do is pretend in front of him that I was an antisemite. My Jewish friend would bring up some slightly Jewish subject, like money or diet (not that he kept Kosher), and I’d make some bigotted remark to which he would take mild offense to which I would take it up a notch until he stormed back to his room and slammed the door. Our RA, upon observing this once or twice, wanted to get rid of me so he actually tried to plot with my friend…who would then report back to me what he had said. I don’t think I have ever laughed so hard and so often in my life.

  39. I don’t know if I have met an Episcopalian either, would you know if somebody was one of them if they were walking down the street?

  40. Walking down the street? No. You would have to engage them in some sort of conversation. Then you’d discover that they’re about as annoying as a Lutheran. Damn, I hate those bastards.

  41. Okay I thought that might be the case, but you reckon that you would be able to identify one if you spoke to them, would it be that obvious?

    By the way I lived in Clearwater, Tampa Bay for a bit as a young man and I also studied Florida town planning as an example of a rapidly growing modern urban area as a kind of do’s and don’ts of town planning.

    Yes, don’t get me started on the Lutherans, I was brought up Roman Catholic so I naturally share you deep seated hatred for them. I could spot one of them from a mile away with both eyes closed.

  42. Bardon, better late than never with the dig, everybody knows its us scousers who are Gods chosen one not the Jews.

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