Class snobbery masquerading as feminism

Via Damian Counsell, this video:

What this tells me is that feminism in the UK is very much a class issue (as is pretty much everything in Britain). Here we have two women with northern accents doing a job which puts them neck-deep among Britain’s working class, a job they enjoy. Then we have Sally Howard with a home-counties accent who I expect has a university education in a pointless field and works a non-job surrounded by people who think exactly like her. Well, whaddya know?

Since leaving university, Howard has worked as a “charity publicist, copywriter and media consultant for Oxfam GB”, authored “a socio-sexual travelogue investigating Indian sexuality from the open carnality of ancient Hinduism, via the repressions of the Raj, to modern-day Delhi rape uprisings”, and freelances as a “travel and lifestyle journalist” and “investigative and social trends journalist.” Sadly Howard’s LinkedIn profile doesn’t tell us what school she went to, because I suspect it would be a posh private one: her whole profile reeks of upper-middle class privilege bankrolled by a wealthy father.

What strikes me about the hectoring, condescending, dismissive tone adopted by Howard towards the two walk-on girls is how old-fashioned she appears. For all her talk about “outdated” practices and her doubtless conceit that she exemplifies modern women, she sounds for all the world like the harridan wife of a hen-pecked vicar in the 1930s lecturing the lower-classes on morals and the virtues of good housekeeping.

There’s a reason for this: scrape away the virtue-signalling, underlying politics, and competition for sex, and we’re left with good, old-fashioned class snobbery. It’s always been there, and probably always will be. The only thing I don’t understand is how the two northern lasses remained so calm and polite.

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54 thoughts on “Class snobbery masquerading as feminism

  1. Here’s the thing about the ‘walk on girls’ that wimmyn like Ms Howard ought to understand: if you’ve got it, flaunt it.

    Flaunt on, girls. We love it!

  2. Maybe it’s my sheltered upbringing in Sao Paulo

    Heh!

    but wtf is a walk on girl?

    I’ve only just found out: it’s the term given to the dolly-birds who walk on stage between rounds at boxing or darts.

  3. I agree with Patrick, there’s a hint – nay, more than a hint! – of the green eyed monster here.

    Why on earth this should be, I don’t know. Is it a lack of self-esteem?

  4. I discount the sex competition theory on the grounds that these people hate men so much there is no way they would let one anywhere near them to do that filthy disgusting thing.

  5. Why on earth this should be, I don’t know. Is it a lack of self-esteem?

    I suspect it’s something to do with these two girls enjoying a reasonably well-rewarded lifestyle in terms of money and recognition which Howard doesn’t think they deserve because they didn’t go to university and study right-on subjects like she did. Howard probably believes the only women who should be successful and happy in life are ones just like her, who worked ever so hard on her dissertation about gendered media semiotics. It must be rather hard to get to her age and realise the choices you have made in life are not reaping the rewards you thought they would.

    You see the same thing with Guardian columnists, headmasters, doctors etc. who can no longer afford the best houses in town or steal the limelight because some oik is now earning big bucks and getting all the attention. This is the basis for the endless sneering remarks about Wayne Rooney and other premier league footballers, or “bankers”.

  6. Hey- I know the feminist! She was at my uni. , and a ‘friend’ of one of my female housemates.

    The housemate dropped her as she was no fun to go out with.

    I see fuck all has changed.

  7. Have to hand it to the two girls, there. Their restraint under severe provocation was positively superhuman.

  8. Someone (and I’m willing to volunteer) needs to teach these young women how to fight this. Go for the simple jugular of ‘what right do you think you have?’. That’s all you use in that situation. I’m consenting, they’re consenting, so sod off.

  9. Tim you are basically saying that what our worthless elites esteem is at odds with what most people esteem.
    And most normal blokes esteem fit birds!

  10. Can we please distinguish between a proper high class desirable tart and this dork. I dont think that all high class tarts are tarred with the same brush.

  11. Bardon I suspect most blokes in the country are not all that high class themselves and these two nice looking girls will be very attractive to the vast majority of them.
    The fish faced harpie clearly lives with cats.

  12. Next up on the sofa: George Monbiot wags his finger at a pair of coal miners and tells them in fancy jardon-infected terms why they are deplorable dinosaurs who ought to be on the dole.

  13. Women have obviously evolved to be pleasing to men. The aim of feminists is to put a stop to that. Men must be miserable.

  14. RLJ. Indeed. And, to pass on their genes successfully, men have evolved to be pleasing to women. Women like men (especially the richer, taller, funnier ones). They really do. Feminists not so much.
    The good news is that the dramatically lower chances of feminists reproducing means their ideology lives in an evolutionary dead-end backwater.

  15. Women like men (especially the richer, taller, funnier ones). They really do. Feminists not so much.

    The feminists do too, but they are massively conflicted about it. The reason a lot of these feminists are single isn’t because of a lack of men who want to be with them – all those male feminists and hangers-on are after one thing, after all – but because they despise the men who are in their dating pool. They want the tall, handsome man as much as every other woman, but they can’t bring themselves to tone down their ludicrous political and social rhetoric. Most seem to have painted themselves into a corner.

  16. “The only thing I don’t understand is how the two northern lasses remained so calm and polite.”

    Because the northern lasses have much more class than the university educated hag?

  17. Because the northern lasses have much more class than the university educated hag?

    They certainly seem to display a better understanding of manners, something they likely picked up on the job if it wasn’t learned at home.

  18. Tim the feminists get to meet and date the ‘sneaky fucker’ tendency of male feminists. They’re not real men though. And it is only the ‘somewhat hot but crazy feminist’ feminists that get the sneaky fuckers trailing along. The Millie Tant fugly battleaxes are indeed lesbians or single.

  19. Feminism is a movement or attitude of left-leaning middle class women. Once equal pay for equal work and basic maternity leave were achieved, ordinary women lost interest in feminism.

  20. I think Ms Howard should stop sucking lemons for breakfast. If she follows this advice, the world will be a sweeter, better happier place for her 🙂

  21. She’s one of the women that Bertie Wooster is always careful not to get engaged to.

    (Apologies, I’ve used that elsewhere, but thought it just had to go here as well.)

  22. Sally Howard could at least have brushed her hair, but she presumably wants to suggest that such grooming is beneath her. Nevertheless, she wears statement earrings – but then they are a bright socialist red…

  23. Bardon: Perhaps terminological inexactitude or cultural differences here but in the argot I remember a ‘tart’ is a professional. I would go for ‘top totty’ as vernacular for the sort of upper class lady one really wouldn’t kick out of bed and would require a crane to extract me. I give you Julia Hartley-Brewer as an exemplar.

  24. Yep, I would much preferred to spend my time with the 2 lovely walk-on girls than that horridon. Life is too short to get lectured on by feminists.

  25. Well one tries, but one often fails. Fortunately, Jeeves has always been around to smooth things over.

  26. I do find myself wondering if “a socio-sexual travelogue investigating Indian sexuality from the open carnality of ancient Hinduism, via the repressions of the Raj, to modern-day Delhi rape uprisings” is really just a euphemism for went backpacking in India, got laid and wrote about it.

    I think you point about feminism being adopted as a mask for class snobbery has some legs. Let me offer a refinement and suggest its the desperately insecure middle that have grabbed it with both hands – the Hyacinth bucket’s of this world.

  27. You see the same thing with Guardian columnists, headmasters, doctors etc. who can no longer afford the best houses in town or steal the limelight because some oik is now earning big bucks and getting all the attention.

    Never mind Guardian columnists, this is what drives the whole ‘rage against the 1%’ movement.

  28. a euphemism for went backpacking in India, got laid and wrote about it

    Yeah but, “Only hot in Bombay – why I had to go to the 3rd world to get laid” just doesn’t sound as good.

  29. I do find myself wondering if “a socio-sexual travelogue investigating Indian sexuality from the open carnality of ancient Hinduism, via the repressions of the Raj, to modern-day Delhi rape uprisings” is really just a euphemism for went backpacking in India, got laid and wrote about it.

    Really? You’re actually wondering?

    “Autoethnography” is a common practice in postgraduate dissertations these days, I expect because it sounds better than “getting academic credit for blogging about my vacation and./or trip to the local Ikea”.

    The Millie Tant fugly battleaxes are indeed lesbians or single.

    I cannot properly credit the source any more, but “feminism was invented to give ugly women access to the levers of power”.

    Never mind Guardian columnists, this is what drives the whole ‘rage against the 1%’ movement.

    A great of anything can often be explained by “someone’s getting rich and famous, and it isn’t me”. Crabs in the bucket syndrome.

  30. I do find myself wondering if “a socio-sexual travelogue investigating Indian sexuality from the open carnality of ancient Hinduism, via the repressions of the Raj, to modern-day Delhi rape uprisings” is really just a euphemism for went backpacking in India, got laid and wrote about it.

    Well, here’s what the Amazon description says:

    Sally Howard, a self-confessed child of the Western Sexual Revolution, sets out on a sexploration through modern India by train, plane and auto-rickshaw.

    Although a review does state:

    If you’re looking for a sex-filled romp, well, you do get that here but not through the authors trying out various positions and reporting back to us readers.

    So if it was, she didn’t make it part of her book. Which is just as well: it would be rather ironic if a middle-class British feminist went to India and demonstrated her empowerment by having meaningless sex with random locals, only to return home and chastise working-class women for demeaning themselves by glamming up at darts matches.

  31. You should write posts for Coffee House – you’re more switched on and articluate than most journos!

    Heh, thanks! Brendan O’Neill is good, though.

  32. “Autoethnography” is a common practice in postgraduate dissertations these days, I expect because it sounds better than “getting academic credit for blogging about my vacation and./or trip to the local Ikea”.

    There had to be a name for it… such is the BS that postmodernism has inflicted on ‘academic thought’

  33. Fight them at their own game. Take her down on the basis of her own self-admitted sexual antics.

    Make it a tale of colonialist exploitation and oppression into the bargain.

  34. “very much a class issue (as is pretty much everything in Britain)”: English class consciousness is a mystery even to Scots, or at least to many Scots, I can tell you. Perhaps to Ulstermen too?

    It’s all very odd since English society is much more open to talent than, for instance, society in France, or Germany, or Italy. That, at least, has been the observation of French, German and Italian research students I’ve had – clever laddies who kept their eyes open and reflected on what they saw.

    I can also remember laughing at an Aussie who attended his first garden party at Cambridge and was astonished at the variety of English accents he heard. This wasn’t how it was presented in TV dramas , was it? Nope, I replied. Why might that be?

  35. When the harpie said something about how British culture has changed and by way of example said “we don’t now cook with lard”, I almost spat my pork pie out. I bet she roasts her spuds in goose fat, patronising cow.

  36. “You see the same thing with Guardian columnists, headmasters, doctors etc. who can no longer afford the best houses in town…”

    Damn, my immediate neighbours include four Doctors and a Headmaster. The area’s obviously going downhill and I hadn’t noticed.

  37. I’ve a suspicion the future battle will be less about feminists v men, than feminists v women whose breadwinner husband lost his job or whose son/brother/father were denied employment opportunities in deference to ‘equality’.

  38. @Tractor Gent

    “I would go for ‘top totty’ as vernacular for the sort of upper class lady”

    Yes thanks for that, top totty is a far more accurate term. I dont think they succumbed to trickle up feminism and that deep down inside they still believe in knights in shining amour.

    @Daniel

    “I cannot properly credit the source any more, but “feminism was invented to give ugly women access to the levers of power”.

    Not 100% sure as I haven’t read his book but it may have been Daniel Horowitz, in his book, Betty Friedan and the Making of the Feminine Mystique: The American Left, the Cold War and Modern Feminism

  39. If they want to go for the big night out, hen party/stag do atmosphere (they do draw a surprising number of women in the crowd), then I think it’s a shame they didn’t just hire some male hunks to add to that glitz / glamour / light entertainment ambience. Angle for the pink pound, even.

    If their model is more oriented to being broadcaster/family-friendly, proper serious elite sport, then it’s more than the walk-on girls that need to change. (Though not, fortunately, the extraordinary talent of their competitors.)

  40. Sally Howard’s not as modern as she thinks. Using lard and dripping is all the rage amongst hipsters these days.

    >I can also remember laughing at an Aussie who attended his first garden party at Cambridge and was astonished at the variety of English accents he heard.

    Yes. But old Clive James is much more sophisticated now.

  41. Actually on the subject of sporting talent:

    Women’s Sport Trust @WomenSportTrust
    We applaud the Professional Darts Corporation moving with the times and deciding to no longer use walk-on-girls. Motor Racing, Boxing and Cycling….your move.

    Kyle wallis‏
    @kyle66240
    Replying to @WomenSportTrust
    “women in the sporting environment should be judged by their sports appeal” OK then, women’s’ football is a joke

    Charlie Mike
    @1CharlieMike
    Replying to @kyle66240 @WomenSportTrust
    Ironically, many regard high level women’s football to be a more nuanced and skilful game than the equivalent mens.

    Riiiiight-ho then. At this point I enjoin y’all to participate in

    MBE’s patent-pending twitter bio stereotype game

    Rule 1: No peeking at the twitter
    Rule 2: Make a list of 15 words that you think are going to appear in this person’s twitter bio, based upon the content of their tweets.
    Rule 3: Now you may peek at the twitter.
    Rule 4: Award yourself one point for each correct word, generously interpreted (abbreviations are okay, as are different forms of a verb, plural/singular, adjectival form of a noun, basically anything that doesn’t make you look like a desperate jackass for claiming it).
    Rule 5: There are no verboten words in the twitter stereotype game, but if you win by dint of picking “the be to of and in that have I it for on retweet not endorsement” then know ye full well that you have “won” in the same sense that an Aussie may once have “won” a game of cricket by bowling underarm.

    Now have a go at @1CharlieMike, based on the content of that tweet about women’s football being superior to men’s. Go on, it’s just 15 words, how long can it take?

    Played within the spirit of the game, the par score’s got to be at least 3 for this one, 5 would be good, 7 would be excellent.

    I didn’t get it myself, but I reckon double figures might even be possible if someone puts a lucky stake on the appropriate subculture.

    The solution follows below.

    MRes student specialising in Videogames as Art. Remain voter. Journalist. F1 Fan. New Media Geek. Photographer. Relationship Anarchist. (Views my own)

    Unlucky if you put “Feminism/t”, doubly unlucky if you went for “LARPing” (which got a pinned tweet) or “poly” (which I don’t think “relationship anarchist” quite counts as, or maybe it does, God knows, I don’t know, I’m not even sure I want to know). But “art student remain fan geek” were definitely in the domain of the gettable. If you put “views my own” then wipe that smirk off your face, and if you put “retweets not endorsements” then serves you right.

  42. “Yes. But old Clive James is much more sophisticated now.”

    Which is more than can be said for the modern young pommy male.

    My nephew has arrived fresh off the boat from Mud Island, he started work yesterday, my wife was doing the washing collection this morning and inquired where his shirt from yesterday was. He replied, its hanging up, I worked in an air-conditioned office all day. I intervened with the uncle advice and our Aussie expectations of cleanliness, particularly given the poms low standing in this regard. And yes Mrs Bardon is the homemaker and fully compliments my lifestyle and is quite happy about her role in this regard.

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