Canada, where even the dreams are American

Last January I said:

One day I hope Canada and Canadians will be able to define themselves on who they are, rather than who they are not.

Eleven months later, the signs are not encouraging:

Across the board, Canadians have fared well over the past few years, reports Quartz. But Canada’s poorest have seen the largest gains, with the bottom 20% seeing a 24% wealth boost between 2013 and 2016. In the US, the richest 10% of Americans saw a 32% wealth bump, while the poorest 20% reaped a 16% gain in that time.

This is cribbed from an article entitled The American dream still exists—in Canada.

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25 thoughts on “Canada, where even the dreams are American

  1. I am a Canadian who wishes Canada would stop trying to define ourselves at all. English and French explorers and settlers came and took land from natives, more white settlers arrived from across Europe and then even more immigrants came from around the world. Canada is not going to create an identity from our history that everyone will be happy with.

    Another thing I’ve noticed is progressives in English speaking countries around the world see themselves as a movement and American progressives are leaders. For instance, the past few years of trans people and their rights, sex change operations, pronouns …. It all started in America but spread like virus to a bunch countries via progressives.

  2. @jwl – Good luck with it all, although I must say that your current leader has a lot to answer for.

    At least I have taken a positive from your settlement history, I learned to never ever trust a Frenchman especially officer class after watching The Last of The Mohicans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1A_Yab1UMA

  3. Bardon – My partner has told me to stop talking about Trudeau at dinner parties we attend because I get a bit unhinged when I think of my PM. Progressives love him of course, he’s dreamy, but Trudeau smug face makes me crazy because, other than two years teaching drama at posh secondary school, he’s done sweet fa in life.

    Trudeau is one of those guys who would eat himself if he made of chocolate even tho he has no accomplishments in life other than living off his surname.

  4. My youngest son lives in canadia and paid $15 canadia for a bottle of Ribena t’other day. He also voted for Trudeau, so feel doubly sorry for his difficulties.

  5. Hang on a minute;

    “Across the board, Canadians have fared well over the past few years, reports Quartz. But Canada’s poorest have seen the largest gains, with the bottom 20% seeing a 24% wealth boost between 2013 and 2016.”

    What the hell is that “But” doing in there?

  6. Would be interesting to know how they calculated wealth, as most people in the bottom 20% don’t have any after accounting for debt.

  7. One day I hope Canada and Canadians will be able to define themselves on who they are, rather than who they are not.

    This is an inside baseball kind of thing. Prior to the 1960’s and the first Trudeau, there was a kind of Canadian identity – a melange of Scots, Irish, British and peasant-class French, with an assortment of other white European groups. We didn’t go for the melting pot, but we never seemed to have quite the same tendency towards ethnic enclaves. There was a sense we were all the Queen’s subjects, quiet and polite at home and terrifyingly effective on the battlefield.

    Trudeau senior, his “Charter of Rights and Freedoms” and Official Multiculturalism was a deliberate plan to smash any national identiity in favour of Trudeau’s screw-you attitude to the English, and a typically French sort of official corruption that manifests in importing and maintaining various separate ethnic blocs that cab be bribed into reliably voting big-L Liberal.

    We had a nascent national identity once, but it’s been replaced an official government-mandated non-identity.

  8. @JerryC: “Would be interesting to know how they calculated wealth, as most people in the bottom 20% don’t have any after accounting for debt.”

    Quartz’s link to the Canadian statistics is broken but the one to US data works OK. Looking at the lower 25 percentile of net worth (p. 13), you can see this group’s median equity is about zero and its mean equity is a negative $12k. However, the lower 20 percentile of income has a mean net worth of +$78k while its median is still pretty close to zero ($7k). This is the group whose mean net worth grew by 16% on 2013. They are the poorest in terms of “usual” income, not in terms of net worth. It seems that some low-income people.are debt-free with some assets and some higher-income people have zero to negative equity.

  9. Retirees often have low incomes and substantial net worths. Presumably these folks get mixed in with real poor people – both working poor and welfare dependents – when they compile these statistics, making it very hard to draw any meaningful conclusions from the stats.

    I suspect that whoever wrote the article simply started with a thesis – Canada is more equal than the US – and poked around the statistics until they found some numbers that appeared to prove that point.

  10. “Canada, where even the dreams are American”

    I cannot think of a slogan more likely to start a bloody free-for-all in any border-area bar. 😉

  11. “a melange of Scots, Irish, British and peasant-class French”: why do you say British when you clearly mean English?

  12. Sorry to be off topic and shoehorning NZ into this but when, or more likely if, you ever chance upon some news item or coverage of our new prime minister I would like to apologise in advance.

  13. @jwl – I think we should all be thankful for our partners diplomacy at the end of the day, if not for them who would have us.

    May I ask which part of Canada you are based in and how things in general are panning out for you all?

    Despite living in and travelling around the US, including a bit of a spell in Western New York and a few trips to Niagara I never actually crossed the border. I still intend to visit and enjoy it’s European heritage and natural wilderness. Been around long enough not to mistake a Canadian for a yank as well.

  14. For instance, the past few years of trans people and their rights, sex change operations, pronouns …. It all started in America but spread like virus to a bunch countries via progressives.

    That’s the same in Britain and Australia, too. Only in Australia they have this odd need to “lead the way” or they “won’t be taken seriously” and start doubling-up the idiocy of their own accord, e.g. plain packaging on cigarettes. But yes, it all starts in the halls of American academia.

  15. At least I have taken a positive from your settlement history, I learned to never ever trust a Frenchman especially officer class after watching The Last of The Mohicans.

    Tsk, that should be hard-wired from birth. Watching the film ought to have merely confirmed it.

  16. We had a nascent national identity once, but it’s been replaced an official government-mandated non-identity.

    That’s an insightful summary. Thanks, Daniel.

  17. Sorry to be off topic and shoehorning NZ into this but when, or more likely if, you ever chance upon some news item or coverage of our new prime minister I would like to apologise in advance.

    Aside from the rugby, NZ flies under the radar for me. But I did see you elected someone who sounded like a lunatic. Have things not improved?

  18. “I suspect that whoever wrote the article simply started with a thesis – Canada is more equal than the US – and poked around the statistics until they found some numbers that appeared to prove that point.”

    There’s definitely more to the statistics than Preeti Varathan’s simplistic assessment suggests. The Fed observes, among other things:

    Families without a high school diploma and nonwhite and Hispanic families experienced larger proportional gains in incomes than other families between 2013 and 2016…

    Between 2013 and 2016, both median and mean income grew for all families grouped by educational attainment. The highest growth rates occurred among families without a high school diploma, whose median and mean income grew 15 percent and 25 percent, respectively… These patterns differ from the 2010–13 period, when mean and median incomes fell for families without a college degree and rose for families with a college degree.

    They are talking about the US, obviously, not Canada.

  19. I second what Bloke in A shed said and would like to bags the top bunk when we are paired together in the re-education camp.

  20. Bloke In A Shed

    “Sorry to be off topic and shoehorning NZ into this but when, or more likely if, you ever chance upon some news item or coverage of our new prime minister I would like to apologise in advance.”

    I’d like to point out she is not ‘our’ prime minster. She is really just NZ’s Head Girl. She isn’t going to achieve anything of any seriousness.

  21. Tim Newman

    ” But I did see you elected someone who sounded like a lunatic. Have things not improved?”

    ‘We’ have done no such thing. We had no part in this, we were drunk in a bar somewhere else when it happened and we took no part in any of the events that lead to this. We have witnesses to this, and should any more accusations of this sort get level at us, we will contact our lawyers…..

    On a fun note, I will be amused to see what Toothy looks like after 3 years as Head Girl. She is just hitting the wall, and all the signs are that it’s not going to be good for her, add to that the stress of being a completely useless PM is going to tell on her very quickly I suspect.

  22. I cannot think of a slogan more likely to start a bloody free-for-all in any border-area bar.

    “There is no difference between Canadians and Americans and the surest way to demonstrate this is to point it out to a Canadian.” ~ Pierre Berton, of all people

  23. DM/BinaS,
    From what I can tell, she’s got in power, realised the other lot weren’t doing a bad job and completely devoid of ideas and policy of her own is just carrying on the same way – except without the competence.

    My favourite moment so far has been justifying the minimum wage hike by claiming it will a) create jobs and b) be good for businesses as people will have more money to spend.

    Even Dianne Abbott has more brains than NZ’s new PM….

  24. “There is no difference between Canadians and Americans and the surest way to demonstrate this is to point it out to a Canadian.” ~ Pierre Berton, of all people

    Change Canadians to Scots and Americans to English and…. 🙂

  25. At the rate Canada’s globalist government is flooding the country with non-whites, it will be a third world country in 25 years or less.

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